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What is the solution to China either constantly banning our products and then cloning them or counterfeiting what's not banned? We're losing billions.

kkarakk 8y ago
regime change by cutting off their benefits and forcing unrest seems to be the only way. waaaay too many countries are having their industries undercut by cheap chinese imports that basically rip off products. the only good thing trump has done is the china tariffs
- fsloth 8y ago
  "regime change by cutting off their benefits and forcing unrest seems to be the only way" You do realize the number of countries US has destabilized over the years is not an insignificant one? And that the results have seldom been satisfactory to anyone but the particular companies that benefitted from the escapade? What you are saying amounts to that the right of american companies to make a profit is more important than the political sovereignty, happiness and wellness of peoples living in countries which threat these profits.
  - kkarakk 8y ago
    china threatens more than america, india,pakistan, most of the african countries with a chinese presence are all being affected and destabilized coz of china's policies and ambitions. it can easily become the cause of another world war,better their govt become destabilized than the whole world
majani 8y ago
Their country, their rules. The US has no God given right to world domination with their products.
- votepaunchy 8y ago
  Just as long as we're on the same page here when the US debt spirals out of control forcing a default on China-owned T-bonds.
fsloth 8y ago
Um, that's how a country moves up in the world. Free trade is from some points of view an illusion. Markets are ruled by the most powerful up to a point. If a country wishes to boost its' industry, then state intervention to market forces is, when used keenly, a useful tool. The fact that most industrial countries bootstrapped their development by happily ripping of patents and supporting their own industries through state intervention is often forgotten nowadays when discussing what is fair and what is not in global trade. In the early 19th century US ripped their factory tech from the british. Etc. See for example: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-industrial-espionage-started-americas-cotton-revolution-180967608/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-industrial-esp... Similar stories can be found from around the globe. So, just to make this clear: you cannot really argument from a fairness point of view, but, you can of course argument from US centric point of view - which is totally fine, just as long as you understand you are not on a moral high ground, but just supporting a particular team in a game.

kkarakk 8y ago

regime change by cutting off their benefits and forcing unrest seems to be the only way. waaaay too many countries are having their industries undercut by cheap chinese imports that basically rip off products. the only good thing trump has done is the china tariffs

fsloth 8y ago
"regime change by cutting off their benefits and forcing unrest seems to be the only way" You do realize the number of countries US has destabilized over the years is not an insignificant one? And that the results have seldom been satisfactory to anyone but the particular companies that benefitted from the escapade? What you are saying amounts to that the right of american companies to make a profit is more important than the political sovereignty, happiness and wellness of peoples living in countries which threat these profits.
- kkarakk 8y ago
  china threatens more than america, india,pakistan, most of the african countries with a chinese presence are all being affected and destabilized coz of china's policies and ambitions. it can easily become the cause of another world war,better their govt become destabilized than the whole world

majani 8y ago

Their country, their rules. The US has no God given right to world domination with their products.

votepaunchy 8y ago
Just as long as we're on the same page here when the US debt spirals out of control forcing a default on China-owned T-bonds.

fsloth 8y ago

Um, that's how a country moves up in the world. Free trade is from some points of view an illusion. Markets are ruled by the most powerful up to a point. If a country wishes to boost its' industry, then state intervention to market forces is, when used keenly, a useful tool. The fact that most industrial countries bootstrapped their development by happily ripping of patents and supporting their own industries through state intervention is often forgotten nowadays when discussing what is fair and what is not in global trade. In the early 19th century US ripped their factory tech from the british. Etc. See for example: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-industrial-espionage-started-americas-cotton-revolution-180967608/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-industrial-esp... Similar stories can be found from around the globe. So, just to make this clear: you cannot really argument from a fairness point of view, but, you can of course argument from US centric point of view - which is totally fine, just as long as you understand you are not on a moral high ground, but just supporting a particular team in a game.