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US undermining 'last chance' climate talks, experts charge
- ThomPete 8y agoClimate change is a global problem but will never be solved by politicians as politics is never the solution to wicked problems. Solutions can only be established sustainably through decentralized technological progress. Solutions that are based on the political climate are never the way to go. As priorities can change rapidly. There are no experts in what last chance means. This is a political claim not a scientific on.
- peterashford 8y agoCFCs destroying the ozone layer was a global problem solved by politicians
- cultus 8y agoGetting rid of CFCs is orders of magnitude less painful than fossil fuels, concrete, and habitat destruction.
- masonic 8y ago"solved" is an overstatement, especially given recent discoveries of increasing CFC manufacture in China.
- ThomPete 8y agoCFCs wasnt a wicked problem. There were alternatives for the market and it had no cost to the consumer or society.
- helloandrewpark 8y agoI’m having trouble understanding why people are so opposed to using fossil fuel "as cleanly and efficiently as possible." It’ll take many decades until renewable and other carbon-neutral energy sources can fully phase out coal and natural gas so doesn’t it make sense to invest in both technologies until then? If the goal is to reduce carbon emissions as much and as fast as possible it seems that we could make greater contributions by tackling both
- addicted 8y agoBecause clean and efficient fossil fuel is code for removing investment in renewable technologies, and billions of dollars invested show significantly less return than the gains in renewable energy sources.
- helloandrewpark 8y agoI don’t buy that this is an either/or situation. One example that comes to mind is the improvements in the efficiency of gasoline powered vehicles while electric vehicle production is ramping up. I think we’re better off that there was a huge push for making ICEs more efficient when electric vehicles were still in its infancy (I can’t prove this but I don’t think throwing more money at Tesla or other companies could have significantly sped up their timeline)
- peterashford 8y agoBut that's not what the US delegation is doing: they're promoting coal power solutions
- petre 8y agoCoal is probably the worst. They should promote the AP1000 rather than coal.
- woodandsteel 8y ago>One example that comes to mind is the improvements in the efficiency of gasoline powered vehicles while electric vehicle production is ramping up. But the Trump administration is reducing the fuel economy standards, not increasing them. Were you really not aware of that?
- ThomPete 8y agoRenewables arent going to solve our increasing demand for energy and thus not really more important than to make oil cleaner and nuclear more popular. Renewables er themselves not as clean and certainly not as scaleable as nuclear.
- woodandsteel 8y agoRemember, Trump believes that anthropogenic global climate change is a hoax.