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Huawei Is China’s Black Mirror Corporation

Cypher 8y ago
And what is Facebook?
- eznoonze 8y ago
  White Mirror. :)
- masonic 8y ago
  Funhouse Mirror. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distorting_mirror https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distorting_mirror
undoware 8y ago
The brilliance of having Canada do the arrest is actually breathtaking. This way the US still gets to fire a shot across the bow of the PRC while Canada (my country) suffers the "grave consequences" with a trading partner we can't afford to piss off. If we blink, it's grounds for messing with us in the ongoing NAFTA revision debacle, and if not, then China takes a chunk away. Either outcome makes us more pliant on issues ranging from cannabis laws, immigration, trade, LGBTQ rights, etc.
- undoware 8y ago
  moral of the story: don't build complicated legal system integration with a foreign power.
- DeonPenny 8y ago
  USMCA, the replacement for NAFTA is already in place. Theres no debacle.
  - undoware 8y ago
    oh, cool! thanks for update
  - RcouF1uZ4gsC 8y ago
    But it hasn't yet been approved by the Senate.
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    It is not “in place”; it is signed but unratified (by all three parties.) Trump has recently threatened NAFTA withdrawal to create pressure for USMCA ratification.
pteredactyl 8y ago
And what about ZTE?
pteredactyl 8y ago
Interesting What has Huawei actually done beside speculation? Where's the evidence of their 'black mirror'-ness?
- blacksmith_tb 8y ago
  Not that Huawei aren't capable of going that way, but I'd have thought Tencent's WeChat/Tenpay and Alibaba's Alipay are already heading in more overtly 'Black Mirror' directions[1]? Or maybe to put that another way, I would think software is going to have an easier time making the future scarier than hardware... 1: https://radiichina.com/the-results-are-in-wechat-is-taking-over-the-world/ https://radiichina.com/the-results-are-in-wechat-is-taking-o... 2: https://qz.com/1097766/i-fixed-my-poor-sesame-credit-score-by-being-a-more-loyal-user-of-alibabas-wallet-app-alipay-in-china/ https://qz.com/1097766/i-fixed-my-poor-sesame-credit-score-b...
- DeonPenny 8y ago
  It's more that every tech company in china has done 'black-mirror' type things. Thats not including the social credit score which is obviously a black-mirror thing the entire tech sector is participating in.
guilhas 8y ago
USA falling behind in technology can't take the pressure. Free trade is no longer cool, and taking hostages is acceptable. Meng arrest is clearly personal. Also for blackmirror we already have google, facebook, amazon, verizon, nsa, gchq, cia, drones ...
- pteredactyl 8y ago
  Agreed. Although I would argue playing China's game on free trade may be a good strategy. But what do I know? It's a sad state when you have US senators with foreign spies working for them, crumbling infrastructure, and a culture more focused on who the president slept with and diversity quotas than getting things done. We're fucked

And what is Facebook?

eznoonze 8y ago
White Mirror. :)
masonic 8y ago
Funhouse Mirror. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distorting_mirror https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distorting_mirror

The brilliance of having Canada do the arrest is actually breathtaking. This way the US still gets to fire a shot across the bow of the PRC while Canada (my country) suffers the "grave consequences" with a trading partner we can't afford to piss off. If we blink, it's grounds for messing with us in the ongoing NAFTA revision debacle, and if not, then China takes a chunk away. Either outcome makes us more pliant on issues ranging from cannabis laws, immigration, trade, LGBTQ rights, etc.

undoware 8y ago
moral of the story: don't build complicated legal system integration with a foreign power.
DeonPenny 8y ago
USMCA, the replacement for NAFTA is already in place. Theres no debacle.
- undoware 8y ago
  oh, cool! thanks for update
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 8y ago
  But it hasn't yet been approved by the Senate.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  It is not “in place”; it is signed but unratified (by all three parties.) Trump has recently threatened NAFTA withdrawal to create pressure for USMCA ratification.

pteredactyl 8y ago

And what about ZTE?

pteredactyl 8y ago

Interesting What has Huawei actually done beside speculation? Where's the evidence of their 'black mirror'-ness?

blacksmith_tb 8y ago
Not that Huawei aren't capable of going that way, but I'd have thought Tencent's WeChat/Tenpay and Alibaba's Alipay are already heading in more overtly 'Black Mirror' directions[1]? Or maybe to put that another way, I would think software is going to have an easier time making the future scarier than hardware... 1: https://radiichina.com/the-results-are-in-wechat-is-taking-over-the-world/ https://radiichina.com/the-results-are-in-wechat-is-taking-o... 2: https://qz.com/1097766/i-fixed-my-poor-sesame-credit-score-by-being-a-more-loyal-user-of-alibabas-wallet-app-alipay-in-china/ https://qz.com/1097766/i-fixed-my-poor-sesame-credit-score-b...
DeonPenny 8y ago
It's more that every tech company in china has done 'black-mirror' type things. Thats not including the social credit score which is obviously a black-mirror thing the entire tech sector is participating in.

guilhas 8y ago

USA falling behind in technology can't take the pressure. Free trade is no longer cool, and taking hostages is acceptable. Meng arrest is clearly personal. Also for blackmirror we already have google, facebook, amazon, verizon, nsa, gchq, cia, drones ...

pteredactyl 8y ago
Agreed. Although I would argue playing China's game on free trade may be a good strategy. But what do I know? It's a sad state when you have US senators with foreign spies working for them, crumbling infrastructure, and a culture more focused on who the president slept with and diversity quotas than getting things done. We're fucked