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And they both suck. Netflix content is weak. The catalog outside US is terrible. YouTube ads are annoying yet original content is not worth the price for Prem

by alecco 8y ago

And they both suck. Netflix content is weak. The catalog outside US is terrible. YouTube ads are annoying yet original content is not worth the price for Premium. At a price point of $12 it's ridiculous. Music catalog is sub-par and not worth the switch from Spotify. Both seem to be more dedicated to push PC propaganda than matching what viewers want. Original content is quite bad save for some exceptions (Wild Wild Country, Cobra Kai). Months ago I canceled my Netflix account and hope some alternative site to YouTube comes up. On the other hand, it was good for me. I've been listening to more audiobooks instead. Money better spent.

setquk 8y ago
Totally agree. I don't go near netflix any more and I watch youtube with youtube-dl + VLC. The only subscription services that actually persists for me is Apple Music. And that's because the catalogue is pretty decent, the price is decent, it mostly just works (unlike Google's offering) and it stops me having to manage my entire family's music which is very time consuming. That has value. Other two, not so much. No more than television.
seqastian 8y ago
Calling Netflix content weak just shows how removed from what content gets released and people watch every day right now. Hint: it's mostly Netflix.
dazc 8y ago
I find it's worth cancelling the subscription from time to time since every three months or so I reach the point where I've seen anything worth paying for. The fact I can do this without any hassle is what I like about Netflix although, I suspect, the cost is low enough that a lot of people don't bother?
baldfat 8y ago
I pay $16 a month for the family YouTube plan and get add free viewing, shut off screen playback, and downloadable videos plus Google Play Music. Best thing I have ever subscribed for.
Buge 8y ago
>YouTube ads are annoying yet original content is not worth the price for Premium. Why even think about the original content? If the ads bother you enough, then removal of ads should be reason enough for a payment.
- imustbeevil 8y ago
  There are free browser extensions that block ads. The only value add is the premium content.
  - dagw 8y ago
    There are free browser extensions that block ads. Even on mobile?
    - cercatrova 8y ago
      Yes, there is AdGuard, AdAway, and others on both Android and iOS.
    - culot 8y ago
      For Android there is the Vanced Youtube app, and you can always dump all Google ads in a hole via Adguard or Blokada.
    - Grue3 8y ago
      Firefox for Android has them!
  - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
    Do the content creators get paid in this case? I'm all for blocking ads when it's some giant corporation that gives me no other choice but when I'm watching someone's videos they made in their basement and put a huge amount of work into I'd rather they were paid for the effort. That's why I have YouTube Premium - best of both worlds.
    - bun_at_work 8y ago
Kiro 8y ago
> Music catalog is sub-par and not worth the switch from Spotify. Definitely not true for the electronic music I'm into. Songs are always posted first to YouTube on the official channels and curators, and much later released properly on Spotify.
JDiculous 8y ago
> YouTube ads are annoying Just use an adblocker. > Music catalog is sub-par and not worth the switch from Spotify. Youtube has virtually every song ever made for free, a much larger catalog than Spotify. I can't think of anything that's on Spotify but isn't on Youtube. I never understood why people pay for Spotify subscriptions.
- Waterluvian 8y ago
  As I grew a family my YouTube time went from mostly desktop to almost all phone/tablet. Can't Adblock that stuff. I'm betting lots of people watch YouTube on mobile devices.
  - JDiculous 8y ago
    Funny just had the same discussion on here a week ago, but there are many workarounds, my choice being downloading the Firefox app and installing an AdBlocker. Also lets you continue playing with the screen off.
  - jstanley 8y ago
    I watch YouTube on mobile and adblock works just fine.
    - Waterluvian 8y ago
      I guess my offense is using the app and not Firefox with Adblock installed in order to cast it to my PS3 at times. I should see how web YouTube mobile compares!
- ArrayList 8y ago
  YouTube music quality is shit. You're watching a compressed video with music in it.
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mottenkufel 8y ago
> PC propaganda How disconnected are our realities? How are we supposed to communicate or work towards a common goal in this world? I really mean it.
- alecco 8y ago
  The world is already improving at blazing pace https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_Now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_Now I am not "white" but rewriting everything due to PC culture is idiotic. We must learn from the good and the bad. Also attacking men, family, and fatherhood at every chance is getting old. Simpsons did it, already, and long ago. And even they are under attack for being racist. Don't get me wrong. Make your content and do your thing. Just stop shoving it down everyone else's throat. For example, YouTube Impulse which is more about MeToo than sci-fi.
  - mottenkufel 8y ago
    > Also attacking men, family, and fatherhood at every chance is getting old. Who does that? > Make your content and do your thing. ??? I'd gladly take the position of someone responsible for highly successful Netflix productions... > Just stop shoving it down everyone else's throat You get the idea of markets and choice right? I'm just a politically literate European with disdain for intellectually dishonest Youtubers and easily digestible propaganda for the status quo.
  - mklingen 8y ago
    Lol what you call "PC culture" is what regular non-troglodyte people call "not being a dick." Get the fuck over it.
    - dang 8y ago
      Please don't do this here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - 8y ago
sametmax 8y ago
I'm just amazed somebody can come to this conclusion. 20 years ago you had to go to the shop, buy ONE film for $15 from a limited shelve, bring it back home, put it in a device you bought specifically for that film format and that does only that, navigate through a dubious UI, be forced to watch ads, then eventually get to the film. If you didn't like it... too bad. Now for the same price, you have access to thousand of movies __and__ TV shows. No ads. Instant watching. Most of them were release on TV or on theater so basically same quality than other channels. And people complain ? I mean I do think the general level of quality of movies and TV shows is going down, but it has nothing to do with netflix. The good/sucks ratio is plummeting much the same on every medium (and I think it's because of us voting for crap with our money, like for most things in our society). Well, I guess it's beautiful some people arrived at such a level of comfort in their life that they consider that amazing commercial offer to be not up to their standard. > PC propaganda While their original content do try to target specific niches including PC and SJW trends (it makes sense IMO), there are plenty of excellent content on netflix that don't follow this trend. Just opening my front page: Ajin, Rick and Morty, black mirror, battle royal, altered carbon, lastman, dirk gently, breaking bad, american beauty, pulp fiction, drive, trainspotting, house of cards, david chapelle, mad max furry road... Yes, things like Sabrina, disenchantmenent, etc are pandering to a certain crowd. So what ? You can just click on something else. There is a lot of something else.
- cercatrova 8y ago
  Just because something is better now than in the past does not mean that it cannot be improved. We cannot be placated with what we have but must constantly strive to move forward. That is how human progress is built.
  - sametmax 8y ago
    Of course. But I noticed that many people were happy with the previous situation, and a lot are not with the new one, despite it being by all objective attributes, better. I believe the issue here is perception, expectations and ability to enjoy. Not netflix which does an incredible job. In a world of abundance and lack of attention, the public is bound to be unsatisfied. It's not sane, IMO, if your brain think it is still hungry when you live in the most amazing all-you-can-eat buffet of all time. Introspection is in order.
SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
> Both seem to be more dedicated to push PC propaganda than matching what viewers want. I agree 100% with the rest of your comment but I genuinely don't understand this claim?
- alecco 8y ago
  > For example, YouTube Impulse which is more about MeToo than sci-fi.
- spookthesunset 8y ago
  > I agree 100% with the rest of your comment but I genuinely don't understand this claim? It is a dog whistle for "I'm a bigot". A good technique to filter trash is to stop reading when you see somebody use "SJW" in a non-ironic way. It basically means they aren't worth talking to.

by alecco 8y ago

setquk 8y ago

Totally agree. I don't go near netflix any more and I watch youtube with youtube-dl + VLC. The only subscription services that actually persists for me is Apple Music. And that's because the catalogue is pretty decent, the price is decent, it mostly just works (unlike Google's offering) and it stops me having to manage my entire family's music which is very time consuming. That has value. Other two, not so much. No more than television.

seqastian 8y ago

Calling Netflix content weak just shows how removed from what content gets released and people watch every day right now. Hint: it's mostly Netflix.

dazc 8y ago

I find it's worth cancelling the subscription from time to time since every three months or so I reach the point where I've seen anything worth paying for. The fact I can do this without any hassle is what I like about Netflix although, I suspect, the cost is low enough that a lot of people don't bother?

baldfat 8y ago

I pay $16 a month for the family YouTube plan and get add free viewing, shut off screen playback, and downloadable videos plus Google Play Music. Best thing I have ever subscribed for.

Buge 8y ago

>YouTube ads are annoying yet original content is not worth the price for Premium. Why even think about the original content? If the ads bother you enough, then removal of ads should be reason enough for a payment.

imustbeevil 8y ago
There are free browser extensions that block ads. The only value add is the premium content.
- dagw 8y ago
  There are free browser extensions that block ads. Even on mobile?
  - cercatrova 8y ago
    Yes, there is AdGuard, AdAway, and others on both Android and iOS.
  - culot 8y ago
    For Android there is the Vanced Youtube app, and you can always dump all Google ads in a hole via Adguard or Blokada.
  - Grue3 8y ago
    Firefox for Android has them!
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
  Do the content creators get paid in this case? I'm all for blocking ads when it's some giant corporation that gives me no other choice but when I'm watching someone's videos they made in their basement and put a huge amount of work into I'd rather they were paid for the effort. That's why I have YouTube Premium - best of both worlds.
  - bun_at_work 8y ago

Kiro 8y ago

> Music catalog is sub-par and not worth the switch from Spotify. Definitely not true for the electronic music I'm into. Songs are always posted first to YouTube on the official channels and curators, and much later released properly on Spotify.

JDiculous 8y ago

> YouTube ads are annoying Just use an adblocker. > Music catalog is sub-par and not worth the switch from Spotify. Youtube has virtually every song ever made for free, a much larger catalog than Spotify. I can't think of anything that's on Spotify but isn't on Youtube. I never understood why people pay for Spotify subscriptions.

Waterluvian 8y ago
As I grew a family my YouTube time went from mostly desktop to almost all phone/tablet. Can't Adblock that stuff. I'm betting lots of people watch YouTube on mobile devices.
- JDiculous 8y ago
  Funny just had the same discussion on here a week ago, but there are many workarounds, my choice being downloading the Firefox app and installing an AdBlocker. Also lets you continue playing with the screen off.
- jstanley 8y ago
  I watch YouTube on mobile and adblock works just fine.
  - Waterluvian 8y ago
    I guess my offense is using the app and not Firefox with Adblock installed in order to cast it to my PS3 at times. I should see how web YouTube mobile compares!
ArrayList 8y ago
YouTube music quality is shit. You're watching a compressed video with music in it.
- deleted 8y ago
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- 8y ago

mottenkufel 8y ago

> PC propaganda How disconnected are our realities? How are we supposed to communicate or work towards a common goal in this world? I really mean it.

alecco 8y ago
The world is already improving at blazing pace https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_Now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_Now I am not "white" but rewriting everything due to PC culture is idiotic. We must learn from the good and the bad. Also attacking men, family, and fatherhood at every chance is getting old. Simpsons did it, already, and long ago. And even they are under attack for being racist. Don't get me wrong. Make your content and do your thing. Just stop shoving it down everyone else's throat. For example, YouTube Impulse which is more about MeToo than sci-fi.
- mottenkufel 8y ago
  > Also attacking men, family, and fatherhood at every chance is getting old. Who does that? > Make your content and do your thing. ??? I'd gladly take the position of someone responsible for highly successful Netflix productions... > Just stop shoving it down everyone else's throat You get the idea of markets and choice right? I'm just a politically literate European with disdain for intellectually dishonest Youtubers and easily digestible propaganda for the status quo.
- mklingen 8y ago
  Lol what you call "PC culture" is what regular non-troglodyte people call "not being a dick." Get the fuck over it.
  - dang 8y ago
    Please don't do this here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - 8y ago

sametmax 8y ago

I'm just amazed somebody can come to this conclusion. 20 years ago you had to go to the shop, buy ONE film for $15 from a limited shelve, bring it back home, put it in a device you bought specifically for that film format and that does only that, navigate through a dubious UI, be forced to watch ads, then eventually get to the film. If you didn't like it... too bad. Now for the same price, you have access to thousand of movies __and__ TV shows. No ads. Instant watching. Most of them were release on TV or on theater so basically same quality than other channels. And people complain ? I mean I do think the general level of quality of movies and TV shows is going down, but it has nothing to do with netflix. The good/sucks ratio is plummeting much the same on every medium (and I think it's because of us voting for crap with our money, like for most things in our society). Well, I guess it's beautiful some people arrived at such a level of comfort in their life that they consider that amazing commercial offer to be not up to their standard. > PC propaganda While their original content do try to target specific niches including PC and SJW trends (it makes sense IMO), there are plenty of excellent content on netflix that don't follow this trend. Just opening my front page: Ajin, Rick and Morty, black mirror, battle royal, altered carbon, lastman, dirk gently, breaking bad, american beauty, pulp fiction, drive, trainspotting, house of cards, david chapelle, mad max furry road... Yes, things like Sabrina, disenchantmenent, etc are pandering to a certain crowd. So what ? You can just click on something else. There is a lot of something else.

cercatrova 8y ago
Just because something is better now than in the past does not mean that it cannot be improved. We cannot be placated with what we have but must constantly strive to move forward. That is how human progress is built.
- sametmax 8y ago
  Of course. But I noticed that many people were happy with the previous situation, and a lot are not with the new one, despite it being by all objective attributes, better. I believe the issue here is perception, expectations and ability to enjoy. Not netflix which does an incredible job. In a world of abundance and lack of attention, the public is bound to be unsatisfied. It's not sane, IMO, if your brain think it is still hungry when you live in the most amazing all-you-can-eat buffet of all time. Introspection is in order.

SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago

> Both seem to be more dedicated to push PC propaganda than matching what viewers want. I agree 100% with the rest of your comment but I genuinely don't understand this claim?

alecco 8y ago
> For example, YouTube Impulse which is more about MeToo than sci-fi.
spookthesunset 8y ago
> I agree 100% with the rest of your comment but I genuinely don't understand this claim? It is a dog whistle for "I'm a bigot". A good technique to filter trash is to stop reading when you see somebody use "SJW" in a non-ironic way. It basically means they aren't worth talking to.