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“Craft beer” as far as I can tell just means overhopped. There’s nothing crafty about it beside swindling people into overpaying for something that tastes like

“Craft beer” as far as I can tell just means overhopped. There’s nothing crafty about it beside swindling people into overpaying for something that tastes like acetone smells. So I think this article was spot on by including it.

eveningcoffee 8y ago
Regardless of its taste, craft beer movement started as class root movement by beer enthusiasts to make more individual beer in small quantities and has been very experimental (in places where it flourishes) and has produced really unique tastes and flavours. So the GP is correct. See also https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths I think that the main issue is the knowledge about the real value is very hard to obtain and this gives the marketeers an upper hand to flood the marked with the fake information.
kochikame 8y ago
I disagree. Good craft beer is far more than "overhopped". It's very difficult to make, and make consistently, and there are a plethora of different ingredients, styles, techniques and methods out there that people are using and innovating with. A lot of the "overhopped" stuff is actually macro beer disguised as craft beer. If you don't like it then that's fine of course, but I think it's hard to deny the amount of creativity and innovation that goes into making a really good beer.
- ghaff 8y ago
  And while I’m mostly not going to get excited about macro beer mascerading as craft beer, I still find it a net plus that I can get some e.g. Goose Bay IPA on a plane flight. It’s probably overhopped but it’s still better than Heineken to my taste.
WAthrowaway 8y ago
It's incredible on HN the lengths people go to assert their authority and their righteousness over things they know absolutely nothing about.
3pt14159 8y ago
Where do you live? I only ask because I can see that being the observation if you're in a place that doesn't have a high concentration of millennials. But if you're in a place like Toronto then it doesn't track with reality. There are plenty of ciders and beers that are truly different with real nuance and varying flavour.
eeeeeeeeeeeee 8y ago
If you only ever order IPAs, sometimes. You need to try some other beers. Try to find maltier ones, they do exist. But there are also fantastic IPAs that have hops but are still drinkable. Sadly a lot of mediocre breweries sprouted up during the boom and it’s saturated. But let’s be honest here — the “craft” people are the ones driving the entire industry forward. Look at how popular cider is, which had always been a niche thing before.

eveningcoffee 8y ago

Regardless of its taste, craft beer movement started as class root movement by beer enthusiasts to make more individual beer in small quantities and has been very experimental (in places where it flourishes) and has produced really unique tastes and flavours. So the GP is correct. See also https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths I think that the main issue is the knowledge about the real value is very hard to obtain and this gives the marketeers an upper hand to flood the marked with the fake information.

kochikame 8y ago

I disagree. Good craft beer is far more than "overhopped". It's very difficult to make, and make consistently, and there are a plethora of different ingredients, styles, techniques and methods out there that people are using and innovating with. A lot of the "overhopped" stuff is actually macro beer disguised as craft beer. If you don't like it then that's fine of course, but I think it's hard to deny the amount of creativity and innovation that goes into making a really good beer.

ghaff 8y ago
And while I’m mostly not going to get excited about macro beer mascerading as craft beer, I still find it a net plus that I can get some e.g. Goose Bay IPA on a plane flight. It’s probably overhopped but it’s still better than Heineken to my taste.

WAthrowaway 8y ago

It's incredible on HN the lengths people go to assert their authority and their righteousness over things they know absolutely nothing about.

3pt14159 8y ago

Where do you live? I only ask because I can see that being the observation if you're in a place that doesn't have a high concentration of millennials. But if you're in a place like Toronto then it doesn't track with reality. There are plenty of ciders and beers that are truly different with real nuance and varying flavour.

eeeeeeeeeeeee 8y ago

If you only ever order IPAs, sometimes. You need to try some other beers. Try to find maltier ones, they do exist. But there are also fantastic IPAs that have hops but are still drinkable. Sadly a lot of mediocre breweries sprouted up during the boom and it’s saturated. But let’s be honest here — the “craft” people are the ones driving the entire industry forward. Look at how popular cider is, which had always been a niche thing before.