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> If you want lossless audio, you literally can't find it, What audio could you get lossless before that you now can't that you're claiming there has been a re

> If you want lossless audio, you literally can't find it, What audio could you get lossless before that you now can't that you're claiming there has been a regression? > Watching movies sucks; you now pay full price to effectively indefinitely rent movies You can buy most movies on physical disks. The old physical copy ownership option still exists. There has been no regression, just new options you personally don't like. > Applications suck; we're puking web and electron everywhere Clearly the market has decided that the heavier versions are just as fine. Also, in pretty much every case there's also lightweight non-electron alternative. There has been no regression, just new options you don't like. > Modern operating systems suck; restricting filesystem access, exposing proprietary application APIs which fundamentally make applications unportable and thus contributing to the rise of Electron/RN. That is absolutely your own fault if your OS restricts FS access. Applications are just as unportable as they have been. There has been no regression, just new options you don't like. You're just looking at the past like it was some gold standard and a wonderland of software, development and user freedom (of choice or of software), it's ridiculous.

Scramblejams 8y ago
> What audio could you get lossless before that you now can't that you're claiming there has been a regression? Compact discs. You should look them up. :-) Lots of music out these days that you can't find on a CD.
- dcbadacd 8y ago
  I know well enough what CDs are :) could you please give a few examples of songs you can't get?
  - 013a 8y ago
    I'll literally click on the playlist I'm listening to right now and start listing albums that don't appear available physically on Amazon. (1) Til The End - MitiS (2) Dear Me, - Borgeous (3) Ultraviolet - 3LAU (4) Mau5ville Level 1 - Deadmau5 (5) Sleeping With Roses - Chelsea Cutler I could go on, because I literally didn't skip a single song. I started at the top and went down. On this playlist of 300 songs, I would guess that fewer than 20 have physical albums widely available. In some cases, the artist will sell one on their website (ironically LPs are even more popular nowadays). And why should they? CDs suck. But they do two things really well: they have clear ownership, and they're pretty close to a master recording. Digital does not have to remove these advantages; we can improve instead of regress. Products like Bandcamp do an excellent job of replicating this experience digitally, but few artists distribute on there, because consumers-at-large demand music on Spotify/iTunes/GPM/etc. Tidal also does a really good job of getting masters, but doesn't have the "you own it" advantage. In other words, consumers have ruined music for both the artists and audiophiles by changing the rules of the game and forcing the markets to adapt in a way that isn't backward compatible with how things have worked. Artists make shit money on most streaming services, and people who actually care about the audio quality also get shafted.
    - dcbadacd 8y ago
      Yeah, but what I was trying to say is that even before you couldn't get every song or album on CD, some were distributed only on tape, some only on vinyl, if you could even get a CD player or buy a CD (not too long ago USSR existed). I'm not saying your situation is ideal, but I am not saying it's a regress that some audiophiles can't get lossless but more people can consume audio (so easily).
    - thirdsun 8y ago
      (1) https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/til-the-end-mitis/ntjyjdyuo3lia https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/til-the-end-mitis/ntjyjdyu... (2) https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/dear-me-borgeous/rdmk0qi0h0q8a https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/dear-me-borgeous/rdmk0qi0h... (3) https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/ultraviolet-3lau/dah7cnit7g34b https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/ultraviolet-3lau/dah7cnit7... (4) https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/mau5ville-level-1-deadmau5/lape1mj1cbcec https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/mau5ville-level-1-deadmau5... (5) https://ca.7digital.com/artist/chelsea-cutler/release/sleeping-with-roses-explicit-7965839 https://ca.7digital.com/artist/chelsea-cutler/release/sleepi... All lossless. All digital. Most of them available at several stores. You're welcome.

Scramblejams 8y ago

> What audio could you get lossless before that you now can't that you're claiming there has been a regression? Compact discs. You should look them up. :-) Lots of music out these days that you can't find on a CD.

dcbadacd 8y ago
I know well enough what CDs are :) could you please give a few examples of songs you can't get?
- 013a 8y ago
  I'll literally click on the playlist I'm listening to right now and start listing albums that don't appear available physically on Amazon. (1) Til The End - MitiS (2) Dear Me, - Borgeous (3) Ultraviolet - 3LAU (4) Mau5ville Level 1 - Deadmau5 (5) Sleeping With Roses - Chelsea Cutler I could go on, because I literally didn't skip a single song. I started at the top and went down. On this playlist of 300 songs, I would guess that fewer than 20 have physical albums widely available. In some cases, the artist will sell one on their website (ironically LPs are even more popular nowadays). And why should they? CDs suck. But they do two things really well: they have clear ownership, and they're pretty close to a master recording. Digital does not have to remove these advantages; we can improve instead of regress. Products like Bandcamp do an excellent job of replicating this experience digitally, but few artists distribute on there, because consumers-at-large demand music on Spotify/iTunes/GPM/etc. Tidal also does a really good job of getting masters, but doesn't have the "you own it" advantage. In other words, consumers have ruined music for both the artists and audiophiles by changing the rules of the game and forcing the markets to adapt in a way that isn't backward compatible with how things have worked. Artists make shit money on most streaming services, and people who actually care about the audio quality also get shafted.
  - dcbadacd 8y ago
    Yeah, but what I was trying to say is that even before you couldn't get every song or album on CD, some were distributed only on tape, some only on vinyl, if you could even get a CD player or buy a CD (not too long ago USSR existed). I'm not saying your situation is ideal, but I am not saying it's a regress that some audiophiles can't get lossless but more people can consume audio (so easily).
  - thirdsun 8y ago
    (1) https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/til-the-end-mitis/ntjyjdyuo3lia https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/til-the-end-mitis/ntjyjdyu... (2) https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/dear-me-borgeous/rdmk0qi0h0q8a https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/dear-me-borgeous/rdmk0qi0h... (3) https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/ultraviolet-3lau/dah7cnit7g34b https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/ultraviolet-3lau/dah7cnit7... (4) https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/mau5ville-level-1-deadmau5/lape1mj1cbcec https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/mau5ville-level-1-deadmau5... (5) https://ca.7digital.com/artist/chelsea-cutler/release/sleeping-with-roses-explicit-7965839 https://ca.7digital.com/artist/chelsea-cutler/release/sleepi... All lossless. All digital. Most of them available at several stores. You're welcome.