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I cannot tell whether this is being said with a straight face.

by rbg246 8y ago

tathougies 8y ago
Yes, it is. The law of Canada says this woman should be arrested. Thus, independent of what Mr Trudeau thinks, she will be arrested, and tried, in accordance with the law.
- einpoklum 8y ago
  I don't know Canadian law, but Huawei did not break laws it is bound by. The US cannot require people and organizations in other countries to apply international sanctions it wishes to apply. China is committed to the JCPOA, Huawei is a Chinese company and it is ridiculous - and legally baseless, AFAICT - to demand otherwise. ... which means Canada should not have honored the request to arrest.
  - detaro 8y ago
    Huawai isn't charged (but given that it has facilities in the US it probably can't pretend to be totally free of US law, and at least some reports say executives have avoided traveling there after the US parts were subpoenaed for information). Apparently the executive is charged with financial fraud: misrepresenting the nature of financial transactions to banks. That's probably a crime in Canada too (I'm sure some government lawyers spend a lot of thought on the right wording for this so it does translate to Canadian law, even if the specific sanctions that are the reason she did that don't exist in Canada), and so she can be arrested and extradited if the courts agree.
  - tathougies 8y ago
    You are bound by any laws of the jurisdictions you enter, including if those laws are unjust or apply to things you did outside that jurisdiction. > Legally baseless according to whom? I will never understand the appeals to legality on an international level. These questions could only be answered in the context of a particular jurisdiction, and -- according to the jurisdiction this lady was detained in -- the actions of the government were legal.
- rbg246 8y ago
  OK I see, thank you. Your original comment made the blanket statement that the law applies equally to all citizens in western democracies. Make all the statements you want saying that western democracies have a better rule of law than China but making blanket statements like the above hurts your argument.

I cannot tell whether this is being said with a straight face.

by rbg246 8y ago

I cannot tell whether this is being said with a straight face.

Yes, it is. The law of Canada says this woman should be arrested. Thus, independent of what Mr Trudeau thinks, she will be arrested, and tried, in accordance with the law.

einpoklum 8y ago
I don't know Canadian law, but Huawei did not break laws it is bound by. The US cannot require people and organizations in other countries to apply international sanctions it wishes to apply. China is committed to the JCPOA, Huawei is a Chinese company and it is ridiculous - and legally baseless, AFAICT - to demand otherwise. ... which means Canada should not have honored the request to arrest.
- detaro 8y ago
  Huawai isn't charged (but given that it has facilities in the US it probably can't pretend to be totally free of US law, and at least some reports say executives have avoided traveling there after the US parts were subpoenaed for information). Apparently the executive is charged with financial fraud: misrepresenting the nature of financial transactions to banks. That's probably a crime in Canada too (I'm sure some government lawyers spend a lot of thought on the right wording for this so it does translate to Canadian law, even if the specific sanctions that are the reason she did that don't exist in Canada), and so she can be arrested and extradited if the courts agree.
- tathougies 8y ago
  You are bound by any laws of the jurisdictions you enter, including if those laws are unjust or apply to things you did outside that jurisdiction. > Legally baseless according to whom? I will never understand the appeals to legality on an international level. These questions could only be answered in the context of a particular jurisdiction, and -- according to the jurisdiction this lady was detained in -- the actions of the government were legal.
rbg246 8y ago
OK I see, thank you. Your original comment made the blanket statement that the law applies equally to all citizens in western democracies. Make all the statements you want saying that western democracies have a better rule of law than China but making blanket statements like the above hurts your argument.