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> how better to achieve "early and continuous delivery of valuable software"? By building an application and putting it in the hands of the business as often a
by geocar 8y ago
> how better to achieve "early and continuous delivery of valuable software"?
By building an application and putting it in the hands of the business as often as possible.
Thirty years ago I used a whiteboard.
I never needed ticketing software to build software or to ship software.
The only time I ever used ticketing software (from the contributor side of the fence) is when the business I was working for wanted it, and the only thing they ever did with it was track my time. Good for them.
Now when I'm on the management-side of the fence, I still don't really like ticketing software. I use Jira because the rest of their business uses Jira, and they want accurate reporting for R&D tax credits and doing KPI-based bonus remittal, and they've built reports and scripts on top of Jira. Some of my developers like to use the tickets themselves, and some prefer to let my assistant do the ticket busywork.
- joejerryronnie 8y agoMy takeaway from this comment: you have an assistant?!!
- lugg 8y agoSomeone needs to create a virtual assistant startup that focuses on the JIRA management niche. I'd buy the developer package.
- geocar 8y agoHow would you physically do it? Do you give the VA their own JIRA login? Or can we make a browser extension that lets the VA use yours (or mine)? (My contact details are in my HN profile if you want to discuss)
- lmm 8y ago> By building an application and putting it in the hands of the business as often as possible. Just putting the application in the hands of the business is not enough, you need to ensure that you're actually delivering value to the business. You need pieces of functionality that you know the business values (and where both sides understand what the valuable thing is) - i.e. tickets. > Thirty years ago I used a whiteboard. > I never needed ticketing software to build software or to ship software. I'm sure I could keep it all in my head, but I'd rather spend that mental capacity on more important things. That you found a whiteboard useful says that tooling can be helpful - and Trello can be more convenient than a physical whiteboard.
- geocar 8y ago> Just putting the application in the hands of the business is not enough Yes, it really is. There is so much software that has been built without a ticket system. If you need examples, just ask! Tickets can be a proxy for business value, in a way that a checkbook is a proxy for money, but it’s not the checkbook that pays salaries: Software is built in the brain.
- B0btheBuilder 8y ago>it’s not the checkbook that pays salaries Doesn't the checkbook of a business literally pay salaries? I'm unclear as to what you're arguing here.
- geocar 8y ago> Doesn't the checkbook of a business literally pay salaries? Hint: Some businesses don't even use checkbooks. > I'm unclear as to what you're arguing here. Is it really unclear? Having small-scale tickets that you actually finish is the very essence of agile This I disagree with. "lmm" seems to think that tickets are either "the very essence of agile" or perhaps even essential to "deliver value to the business."
- lmm 8y agoI can believe you've built valuable software without a "ticket system", but not without tickets, whether you called them that or not. You need pieces of functionality that get agreed between the business and the developer. And while it's possible to keep them in both your heads, it's easier and more reliable to record them in writing.