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Perhaps Im just a dreamer... but i believe in an open-source, decentralized, free information, patentless World... Where one day nobody can rewrite history, can

Perhaps Im just a dreamer... but i believe in an open-source, decentralized, free information, patentless World... Where one day nobody can rewrite history, can force a monopoly down our throath, lock us in, be unaccoubtable for their actions, censor us or run us around like sheep. One day we stop shooting ourselves in the foot and pee our pants and stop being blind to the tech giants like they have our best interrest. A true decentralized system might be nesssary one day to avoid us being enslaved in democrazy

root_axis 8y ago
> Perhaps Im just a dreamer... but i believe in an open-source, decentralized, free information, patentless World... Where one day nobody can rewrite history, can force a monopoly down our throath, lock us in, be unaccoubtable for their actions, censor us or run us around like sheep > open-source Blockchain software is an amazing example of open-source software, but blockchain is ultimately unimportant with respect to the entire open-source movement as whole. > decentralized Blockchains are decentralized, but they can't "decentralize the world" because they don't exist in the world so they necessarily require outsourcing any real world effects to untrustworthy humans who do not have to respect the state of the blockchain in the material world. > free information Not sure what this even means, but whatever market incentives exist that might keep information from "being free" will always exist, regardless of blockchains. > patentless The patent system is a political institution that will exist regardless of blockchains. > nobody can rewrite history As has been demonstrated many times, blockchain history can be trivially rewritten given the appropriate political influence of those who control the nodes. The DAO is a classic example of that. > force a monopoly down our throath Blockchains do absolutely nothing to stop this. > be unaccoubtable for their actions Blockchains do absolutely nothing to stop this. > censor us or run us around like sheep. A government can effortlessly censor you and doesn't really care if are able to flip some bits in an arbitrary digital ledger. > One day we stop shooting ourselves in the foot and pee our pants and stop being blind to the tech giants like they have our best interrest The cryptocurrency community does not have our best interest at heart. > A true decentralized system might be nesssary one day to avoid us being enslaved in democrazy This is the height of cryptocurrency delusion. I regret that I have to sound so dismissive but I think the monumental assertions you're putting forward are fundamentally disconnected from history and our current reality.
- simonsaidit 8y ago
  What you Seem to ignore is that my aspiration is to fix the flaws and come up with a Better system and you Seem to focus on the past and currency Which is just a small part of the picture. Control of nodes is just a reference to some current implementation details. DAO was also just bugs exploited. Being able to alter the current State of the Ledger doesnt make it invisible that you did it, or prevents others from not agreeing with you. Im thinking about civilations destroyed or Winners of war rewriting history, or powerfull companies and poltiticians covering up information that was already out there... eg recently we found out its easy to delete from waybackmachine. If you cannot Imagine we Can build true decentralized tamperproof systems or could ever have a neeed for one i suggest you study human history.
  - root_axis 8y ago
    > What you Seem to ignore is that my aspiration is to fix the flaws and come up with a Better system Admirable goals but lots of us have aspirations. You need to demonstrate how your suggestions can actually help, and at this point, explaining it is not enough, you and your community need to stop talking about it and actually do something. No other software requires so much vocal defense.
  - simonsaidit 8y ago
    Yes because pow is all there is and Will ever be. Research have stagnated. The time is up and if we don’t show results now we never will.
  - spookthesunset 8y ago
    > "Im thinking about civilations destroyed or Winners of war rewriting history, or powerfull companies and poltiticians covering up information that was already out there... " None of these are engineering or technical problems. They are all extremely complex meatspace-based problems that get solved (if they are even solvable at all, or even actual problems) well outside of the realm of computer code. Bitcoin and Satoshi's Glorious Blockchain is, was, and always will be a solution in search of a problem.

root_axis 8y ago

> Perhaps Im just a dreamer... but i believe in an open-source, decentralized, free information, patentless World... Where one day nobody can rewrite history, can force a monopoly down our throath, lock us in, be unaccoubtable for their actions, censor us or run us around like sheep > open-source Blockchain software is an amazing example of open-source software, but blockchain is ultimately unimportant with respect to the entire open-source movement as whole. > decentralized Blockchains are decentralized, but they can't "decentralize the world" because they don't exist in the world so they necessarily require outsourcing any real world effects to untrustworthy humans who do not have to respect the state of the blockchain in the material world. > free information Not sure what this even means, but whatever market incentives exist that might keep information from "being free" will always exist, regardless of blockchains. > patentless The patent system is a political institution that will exist regardless of blockchains. > nobody can rewrite history As has been demonstrated many times, blockchain history can be trivially rewritten given the appropriate political influence of those who control the nodes. The DAO is a classic example of that. > force a monopoly down our throath Blockchains do absolutely nothing to stop this. > be unaccoubtable for their actions Blockchains do absolutely nothing to stop this. > censor us or run us around like sheep. A government can effortlessly censor you and doesn't really care if are able to flip some bits in an arbitrary digital ledger. > One day we stop shooting ourselves in the foot and pee our pants and stop being blind to the tech giants like they have our best interrest The cryptocurrency community does not have our best interest at heart. > A true decentralized system might be nesssary one day to avoid us being enslaved in democrazy This is the height of cryptocurrency delusion. I regret that I have to sound so dismissive but I think the monumental assertions you're putting forward are fundamentally disconnected from history and our current reality.

simonsaidit 8y ago
What you Seem to ignore is that my aspiration is to fix the flaws and come up with a Better system and you Seem to focus on the past and currency Which is just a small part of the picture. Control of nodes is just a reference to some current implementation details. DAO was also just bugs exploited. Being able to alter the current State of the Ledger doesnt make it invisible that you did it, or prevents others from not agreeing with you. Im thinking about civilations destroyed or Winners of war rewriting history, or powerfull companies and poltiticians covering up information that was already out there... eg recently we found out its easy to delete from waybackmachine. If you cannot Imagine we Can build true decentralized tamperproof systems or could ever have a neeed for one i suggest you study human history.
- root_axis 8y ago
  > What you Seem to ignore is that my aspiration is to fix the flaws and come up with a Better system Admirable goals but lots of us have aspirations. You need to demonstrate how your suggestions can actually help, and at this point, explaining it is not enough, you and your community need to stop talking about it and actually do something. No other software requires so much vocal defense.
- simonsaidit 8y ago
  Yes because pow is all there is and Will ever be. Research have stagnated. The time is up and if we don’t show results now we never will.
- spookthesunset 8y ago
  > "Im thinking about civilations destroyed or Winners of war rewriting history, or powerfull companies and poltiticians covering up information that was already out there... " None of these are engineering or technical problems. They are all extremely complex meatspace-based problems that get solved (if they are even solvable at all, or even actual problems) well outside of the realm of computer code. Bitcoin and Satoshi's Glorious Blockchain is, was, and always will be a solution in search of a problem.