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>>Even if we were to grant that these claims are true, we still have to ask what classes of application benefit from slower, more expensive distributed systems

>>Even if we were to grant that these claims are true, we still have to ask what classes of application benefit from slower, more expensive distributed systems Nobody denies its slow, its a waste of resources, its buggy, its hyped. its a lot of things many early systems was. Its all challenges that people try to solve. What is interresting is if those things can be solved. And i dont understand Why so many dont see a benefit if we could one day build true decentralized systems... its not the distributed or avalibility thats important. Its not like goverments or companies always have the peoples best interrest when they make decissions.

SalMonella 8y ago
Nathaniel. I can see what your saying... Paul`s remark is neat, on thursday I got a top of the range Nissan GT-R: after making $6612 this last four weeks and just a little over ten-k last munth. this is certainly the easiest work Ive had. I started this five months/ago and almost straight away began to make more than $71 per-hour. I work through this website, www.Mesalary.com
skyraider 8y ago
Even on decentralized networks like ethereum/bitcoin, it's possible for governments and companies to have a major impact on network direction. True economic decentralization is more likely to come from products like Stripe Atlas that give small players scaling and distribution tools that previously, only big corporations or well-resourced founding teams had access to.
- simonsaidit 8y ago
  Sure goverments can affect etherum and bitcoin but they cant stop it globally and Im talking about the next generations build from the learnings of bitcoin and the likes. Its not just about money but information any kind that could benefit. Stripe is cool but just one area and its centralized and itself relies on payment networks like visa and mastercard, banks and other psp networks all the way to the POS.
root_axis 8y ago
> Nobody denies its slow, its a waste of resources, its buggy, its hyped A lot of people deny all of that, actually. > slow They say "there is no faster way to achieve distributed consensus". > waste They say "it's not wasteful because its securing the network". > buggy They say "unlike all other software systems, it's never been hacked!". > hyped They say "it's literally the greatest innovation since the internet" > And i dont understand Why so many dont see a benefit if we could one day build true decentralized systems I have no idea, I guess most engineers are just too jealous of early adopters getting rich to be willing to give cryptocurrency a chance. There are so many problems that can be solved right now with cryptocurrency if the community would just give cryptocurrency a fair shot instead of always trying to say that it doesn't solve any real problems. Note: the previous paragraph is a satirical portrayal of a cryptocurrency enthusiast attempting to explain why the entire software community isn't hyped about cryptocurrency.
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- simonsaidit 8y ago
  Perhaps Im just a dreamer... but i believe in an open-source, decentralized, free information, patentless World... Where one day nobody can rewrite history, can force a monopoly down our throath, lock us in, be unaccoubtable for their actions, censor us or run us around like sheep. One day we stop shooting ourselves in the foot and pee our pants and stop being blind to the tech giants like they have our best interrest. A true decentralized system might be nesssary one day to avoid us being enslaved in democrazy
  - root_axis 8y ago
    > Perhaps Im just a dreamer... but i believe in an open-source, decentralized, free information, patentless World... Where one day nobody can rewrite history, can force a monopoly down our throath, lock us in, be unaccoubtable for their actions, censor us or run us around like sheep > open-source Blockchain software is an amazing example of open-source software, but blockchain is ultimately unimportant with respect to the entire open-source movement as whole. > decentralized Blockchains are decentralized, but they can't "decentralize the world" because they don't exist in the world so they necessarily require outsourcing any real world effects to untrustworthy humans who do not have to respect the state of the blockchain in the material world. > free information Not sure what this even means, but whatever market incentives exist that might keep information from "being free" will always exist, regardless of blockchains. > patentless The patent system is a political institution that will exist regardless of blockchains. > nobody can rewrite history As has been demonstrated many times, blockchain history can be trivially rewritten given the appropriate political influence of those who control the nodes. The DAO is a classic example of that. > force a monopoly down our throath Blockchains do absolutely nothing to stop this. > be unaccoubtable for their actions Blockchains do absolutely nothing to stop this. > censor us or run us around like sheep. A government can effortlessly censor you and doesn't really care if are able to flip some bits in an arbitrary digital ledger. > One day we stop shooting ourselves in the foot and pee our pants and stop being blind to the tech giants like they have our best interrest The cryptocurrency community does not have our best interest at heart. > A true decentralized system might be nesssary one day to avoid us being enslaved in democrazy This is the height of cryptocurrency delusion. I regret that I have to sound so dismissive but I think the monumental assertions you're putting forward are fundamentally disconnected from history and our current reality.

SalMonella 8y ago

Nathaniel. I can see what your saying... Paul`s remark is neat, on thursday I got a top of the range Nissan GT-R: after making $6612 this last four weeks and just a little over ten-k last munth. this is certainly the easiest work Ive had. I started this five months/ago and almost straight away began to make more than $71 per-hour. I work through this website, www.Mesalary.com

skyraider 8y ago

Even on decentralized networks like ethereum/bitcoin, it's possible for governments and companies to have a major impact on network direction. True economic decentralization is more likely to come from products like Stripe Atlas that give small players scaling and distribution tools that previously, only big corporations or well-resourced founding teams had access to.

simonsaidit 8y ago
Sure goverments can affect etherum and bitcoin but they cant stop it globally and Im talking about the next generations build from the learnings of bitcoin and the likes. Its not just about money but information any kind that could benefit. Stripe is cool but just one area and its centralized and itself relies on payment networks like visa and mastercard, banks and other psp networks all the way to the POS.

root_axis 8y ago

> Nobody denies its slow, its a waste of resources, its buggy, its hyped A lot of people deny all of that, actually. > slow They say "there is no faster way to achieve distributed consensus". > waste They say "it's not wasteful because its securing the network". > buggy They say "unlike all other software systems, it's never been hacked!". > hyped They say "it's literally the greatest innovation since the internet" > And i dont understand Why so many dont see a benefit if we could one day build true decentralized systems I have no idea, I guess most engineers are just too jealous of early adopters getting rich to be willing to give cryptocurrency a chance. There are so many problems that can be solved right now with cryptocurrency if the community would just give cryptocurrency a fair shot instead of always trying to say that it doesn't solve any real problems. Note: the previous paragraph is a satirical portrayal of a cryptocurrency enthusiast attempting to explain why the entire software community isn't hyped about cryptocurrency.

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simonsaidit 8y ago
Perhaps Im just a dreamer... but i believe in an open-source, decentralized, free information, patentless World... Where one day nobody can rewrite history, can force a monopoly down our throath, lock us in, be unaccoubtable for their actions, censor us or run us around like sheep. One day we stop shooting ourselves in the foot and pee our pants and stop being blind to the tech giants like they have our best interrest. A true decentralized system might be nesssary one day to avoid us being enslaved in democrazy
- root_axis 8y ago
  > Perhaps Im just a dreamer... but i believe in an open-source, decentralized, free information, patentless World... Where one day nobody can rewrite history, can force a monopoly down our throath, lock us in, be unaccoubtable for their actions, censor us or run us around like sheep > open-source Blockchain software is an amazing example of open-source software, but blockchain is ultimately unimportant with respect to the entire open-source movement as whole. > decentralized Blockchains are decentralized, but they can't "decentralize the world" because they don't exist in the world so they necessarily require outsourcing any real world effects to untrustworthy humans who do not have to respect the state of the blockchain in the material world. > free information Not sure what this even means, but whatever market incentives exist that might keep information from "being free" will always exist, regardless of blockchains. > patentless The patent system is a political institution that will exist regardless of blockchains. > nobody can rewrite history As has been demonstrated many times, blockchain history can be trivially rewritten given the appropriate political influence of those who control the nodes. The DAO is a classic example of that. > force a monopoly down our throath Blockchains do absolutely nothing to stop this. > be unaccoubtable for their actions Blockchains do absolutely nothing to stop this. > censor us or run us around like sheep. A government can effortlessly censor you and doesn't really care if are able to flip some bits in an arbitrary digital ledger. > One day we stop shooting ourselves in the foot and pee our pants and stop being blind to the tech giants like they have our best interrest The cryptocurrency community does not have our best interest at heart. > A true decentralized system might be nesssary one day to avoid us being enslaved in democrazy This is the height of cryptocurrency delusion. I regret that I have to sound so dismissive but I think the monumental assertions you're putting forward are fundamentally disconnected from history and our current reality.