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There's no competitive Jaguar EV yet. It's not competitive until it's actually out there competing, with a margin above costs, in quantities above 1,000 a month
by Nomentatus 8y ago
There's no competitive Jaguar EV yet. It's not competitive until it's actually out there competing, with a margin above costs, in quantities above 1,000 a month at sedan prices. Right now it's a concept car being shown around; you can't buy one and have it delivered, the announced model will be high-end and c'mon man: seriously, there's no shortage of EV concept EVs in the world now.
From an article published today: "The I-Pace SUV, launched this week..."
"I-Pace starts at $119,000, about $35,000 below the Model X, Tesla’s SUV."
"Test drives of I-Pace started this week..."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/life/motoring/jaguar-makes-marque-in-race-to-electric-vehicles/news-story/9fe012db57c2dd61003086b37a5eb4d3 https://www.theaustralian.com.au/life/motoring/jaguar-makes-...
And within a few days: "While the I-Pace is an athletic prodigy, it doesn't do much to advance the EV state of the art. The sole battery pack, a 90.0-kWh unit, is EPA rated for 234 miles between charges. Tesla's Model X earns a 238-mile rating with a 75.0-kWh battery, and a Chevy Bolt covers that distance with just 60.0 kilowatt-hours. Perhaps the Jag's inefficiency is the price you pay for an EV that doesn't look like a suppository."
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2019-jaguar-i-pace-by-the-numbers https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2019-jaguar-i-pace-by-t...
https://electrek.co/2018/08/23/jaguar-e-type-zero-production-electric-ev-conversion/ https://electrek.co/2018/08/23/jaguar-e-type-zero-production...
https://www.techradar.com/news/jaguar-i-pace-the-future-now https://www.techradar.com/news/jaguar-i-pace-the-future-now
Why shill for this firm? It's really great at hyping itself. Production is the test, it may happen, and Jaguar might even be able to compete at the very high end: but it's not out there competing now, and won't be trying sedan sales for years, if ever.
You only have a second-mover advantage if you have a better tech that can leapfrog the first tech; Google did, Watt did, Westinghouse did but this is the exception, not the rule.
- clouddrover 8y ago> Right now it's a concept car being shown around; you can't buy one and have it delivered You can buy a Jaguar I-Pace and have it delivered: https://electrek.co/2018/10/17/jaguar-starts-i-pace-deliveries-us/ https://electrek.co/2018/10/17/jaguar-starts-i-pace-deliveri... https://www.electrive.com/2018/10/01/jaguar-i-pace-delivered-to-germany-in-limited-volume/ https://www.electrive.com/2018/10/01/jaguar-i-pace-delivered... https://insideevs.com/in-norway-jaguar-i-pace-400-deliveries/ https://insideevs.com/in-norway-jaguar-i-pace-400-deliveries... And the current and future competition is already hurting Tesla sales in Europe: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-11/jaguar-i-pace-and-other-rivals-a-headache-for-tesla-s-elon-musk https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-11/jaguar-i-... > Why shill for this firm? I'm not shilling for anyone, son. I'm just objective.
- Nomentatus 8y agoI stand corrected on this one point. No indication of whether they are selling below cost but it's wildly unlikely they aren't - so that's not yet sustainable competition even at the high end. Your word competitive referred to my comment on Tesla motors, but as I've already stated, in fact Jaguar's car is clearly less efficient. Tesla started high-end UV deliveries ancient years ago. Lower cost Ford EVs, etc have been driving around for a while. So why do arabesques for Jaguar? You weren't objective enough to note the $100,000 price tag; there's no objective analysis that makes Jaguar EVs competitive with Tesla's model 3 today. Nor are you objective enough to answer any of my other points, such as the inefficiency of Jaguar's car, contra your denial of my statement that "Tesla's motors are quite advanced." It would be civil not to just ignore points you can't answer.
- Nomentatus 8y agoJust realized "that 1,000 shipped" or "delivered" may just refer to their test drive cars; they may not have sent one to a customer yet.