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> I expect them to not make excuses for getting the wrong answers. Ok. Do you think it would be good to fire all the professors who made more than zero mistak
by waterhouse 8y ago
> I expect them to not make excuses for getting the wrong answers.
Ok. Do you think it would be good to fire all the professors who made more than zero mistakes on the quiz? I agree that mistakes are bad. I don't think all policies of the form "inflict punishments on people who make mistakes" are a good idea.
It's easier to fix stupid mistakes on homework, when you have plenty of time and can consult the textbook and such. Therefore, if, as I advocate, students are permitted to base their grade solely on test scores, then, to the extent that they do this, this will actually increase the degree to which students are punished for stupid mistakes. So if you hate mistakes that much, you should support such a policy and encourage students to make that choice.
I submit that, at least for seriously-sized tests (like a final, usually at least an hour long), for a student to become practiced enough to expect to get a perfect score, with enough confidence to make it worth jeopardizing their grade if they did make a single mistake, is a difficult enough task that almost no one would do it. Therefore, the "perfect score on test => homework doesn't matter" would do very little to incentivize students to take the "tests-only, harsh punishment for mistakes" option. Therefore, my proposed "anyone can choose tests-only" option is better.
You didn't clarify whether "ace a test" meant "perfect" or just "really good score". I'm now guessing it's the latter. That is much more achievable, and certainly would have covered most of the scenarios I'm thinking of.
- WalterBright 8y agoIt's not about "punishing" people for mistakes. Test scoring isn't about punishing people. It's about judging mastery of the material. Mistakes mean you earn a lower score on mastery. You seem to think it is unreasonable and unfair to dock a test score for "careless" mistakes. It is perfectly reasonable to, because the student didn't master the material.
- waterhouse 8y ago> You seem to think it is unreasonable and unfair to dock a test score for "careless" mistakes. I don't think that. I think it is unreasonable and unfair to take someone who gets, say, a 93% average on the tests and didn't do most of the homework, and give him a 78% score in the class. I also think it's unreasonable to have a policy of allowing someone who gets 100% on the tests to get 100% in the class regardless of homework, but if they only got 99% on the tests, to instead give them 84% total because they didn't do homework. Did Hal Finney make a single math mistake on his final? If he did, would the professor have said, "Whoops, guess you haven't mastered the material, now we're going to give you a C because of the homework you didn't do"?