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I do not know how to express this in civilized terms. But I feel that biological parents that raised children, who later on become evil and take other people l

I do not know how to express this in civilized terms. But I feel that biological parents that raised children, who later on become evil and take other people lives -- are responsible, some how. I am mentally, far from being contempt, with all these psychopaths (who (most of them), also have seen at some point in their lives, have seen a professional phycologist, regularly) -- go and kill defenseless kids or church/synagogue goers. These evil humans (if they can be called that) -- should not have existed, and if they existed -- their evilness must, somehow, have been detected earlier. And that's where the parents, and, perhaps, the meds-prescribing phycologists/physiatrists come in. I realized, that in not too distant past -- the kings and czar's suppressed uprising by executed not just the active uprisers, but their whole families, including wives and kids. As a deterrent. I am not talking about that, but, may be there a way that parents can be held accountable to the actions of their children (even if they are more adults by the time they commit heinous crimes). May be that will also act as deterrent against pure evil that visits those humans.

jeena 8y ago
But more often than not it's not the parents or phycologists/physiatrists wrong doing which leads to someone doing something awful. How would you even determine that?
dwighttk 8y ago
So are you saying that evil murderers are not responsible for their evil murders because they didn’t have a choice but their evil parents are responsible, some how?
75dvtwin 8y ago
I am saying that serial murders, mass shooters & home grown terrorists had patterns and footprints -- that should, somehow have been detected by their parents and physiatrists. I do not know how to detect this stuff, but I feel morally responsible , for behavior of my children, for example. Why should I not be partially criminally liable for their misdeeds? God forbid, a child drinks alcohol or smokes some chemical substance, then gets behind a wheel of a car -- and kills a family going to a picnic. I am not even thinking of more serious premeditated horrible crimes. As I said in the beginning of my post, I do not know how to express this correctly -- but I feel that there is more role (and accountability) that parents and doctors treating mental illness/behaviors -- should bear.
drieddust 8y ago
That's bunch of balony. I have two children who are polar opposite in behaviour. How do you account for that?
- 75dvtwin 8y ago
  Why would there be a need to a 'account for differences in behavior? Here is a very hypothetical scenario, I am struggling with: A parent shows a pattern of drinking an driving under influence. As luck had it -- nothing bad happened. Then the child, does the same (when already having a valid driver license) -- and a horrible accident happens. Is there some moral responsible that the parent carries? Is there criminal responsibility? Just as in my initial comment, I do not know if this line of thinking has any merit at all. Perhaps it is a 'bunch of baloney' as you put it. I also have no idea on how to detect, that there in what instances there is an implied accountability of a parent (or a treating phycologist/psychiatrist). I am hoping that some folks reading this thread , have historical, or even literature prospective that explores this angle. How far the accountability of a parent or a treating phycologist goes/overlaps with the accountability of the perpetrator of a heinous act. I can see that out of all the feedback on my comment so far -- there is 0 overlap of accountability suggested. Thank you for your feedback.
  - drieddust 8y ago
    EDIT: My apologies for the angry tone but idea of reporting on every single deviation is not a good one. That's how you actually end up filling prison and creating dystopia. > A parent shows a pattern of drinking an driving under influence. As luck had it -- nothing bad happened. Then the child, does the same (when already having a valid driver license) -- and a horrible accident happens. Children definately imitate parents. But I think your argument was the opposite. Parents reporting on Children's behaviour if they fall out of line. > How far the accountability of a parent or a treating phycologist goes/overlaps with the accountability of the perpetrator of a heinous act. World is a messy and scary place but trying to control for every variable might make it unlivable.

jeena 8y ago

But more often than not it's not the parents or phycologists/physiatrists wrong doing which leads to someone doing something awful. How would you even determine that?

dwighttk 8y ago

So are you saying that evil murderers are not responsible for their evil murders because they didn’t have a choice but their evil parents are responsible, some how?

75dvtwin 8y ago

I am saying that serial murders, mass shooters & home grown terrorists had patterns and footprints -- that should, somehow have been detected by their parents and physiatrists. I do not know how to detect this stuff, but I feel morally responsible , for behavior of my children, for example. Why should I not be partially criminally liable for their misdeeds? God forbid, a child drinks alcohol or smokes some chemical substance, then gets behind a wheel of a car -- and kills a family going to a picnic. I am not even thinking of more serious premeditated horrible crimes. As I said in the beginning of my post, I do not know how to express this correctly -- but I feel that there is more role (and accountability) that parents and doctors treating mental illness/behaviors -- should bear.

drieddust 8y ago

That's bunch of balony. I have two children who are polar opposite in behaviour. How do you account for that?

75dvtwin 8y ago
Why would there be a need to a 'account for differences in behavior? Here is a very hypothetical scenario, I am struggling with: A parent shows a pattern of drinking an driving under influence. As luck had it -- nothing bad happened. Then the child, does the same (when already having a valid driver license) -- and a horrible accident happens. Is there some moral responsible that the parent carries? Is there criminal responsibility? Just as in my initial comment, I do not know if this line of thinking has any merit at all. Perhaps it is a 'bunch of baloney' as you put it. I also have no idea on how to detect, that there in what instances there is an implied accountability of a parent (or a treating phycologist/psychiatrist). I am hoping that some folks reading this thread , have historical, or even literature prospective that explores this angle. How far the accountability of a parent or a treating phycologist goes/overlaps with the accountability of the perpetrator of a heinous act. I can see that out of all the feedback on my comment so far -- there is 0 overlap of accountability suggested. Thank you for your feedback.
- drieddust 8y ago
  EDIT: My apologies for the angry tone but idea of reporting on every single deviation is not a good one. That's how you actually end up filling prison and creating dystopia. > A parent shows a pattern of drinking an driving under influence. As luck had it -- nothing bad happened. Then the child, does the same (when already having a valid driver license) -- and a horrible accident happens. Children definately imitate parents. But I think your argument was the opposite. Parents reporting on Children's behaviour if they fall out of line. > How far the accountability of a parent or a treating phycologist goes/overlaps with the accountability of the perpetrator of a heinous act. World is a messy and scary place but trying to control for every variable might make it unlivable.