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All sides are not the same. First, science is a process with the goal of objectively determining truths about the world. Already it is wildly different from mos
by tensor 8y ago
All sides are not the same. First, science is a process with the goal of objectively determining truths about the world. Already it is wildly different from most other processes whose goals are things like building something, making money, influencing people, etc. Just that different alone is huge. It's like comparing runners to people who don't even enter the race and claiming they are the same.
But what most people refer to when they talk about science is the results of the process. There too, we have a wide spectrum of quality. It's rather dishonest to throw all results into a single bucket and then cherry pick the poor quality results and claim everything is the same. It is not.
On p-values, yes, there is currently a large problem with some areas of science not understanding statistics correctly. This is not a problem with the theoretical process or goal, it is a problem with implementation that should be addressed. But again, to compare even this with non-scientific information which is literally made up to suite various non-scientific goals is very dishonest. These bodies of information are not remotely "the same."
The whole post-truth this article refers to is more about the wider dissemination of scientific knowledge to non-practitioners. While it's always been a challenge to communicate sometimes complex information to the wider public, what has changed in society today is arguably the amount of "corrupted" versions of the data. When you have people taking the scientific results and producing slightly distorted versions with the intention of misleading or making it hard to discern what is original, it's a bigger problem. This is what the article is referring to as "post-truth."
It's a wider societal problem that affects both scientific knowledge and other information alike. Let's not dismissing the problem by saying "all sides are the same." There is a very large range of quality of information, it is not all the same. The amount of bias and ulterior agenda in information varies hugely.
- foolrush 8y agoYou failed to understand that science is built atop of epistemology. That is, there is no “post truth”, but rather that Foucault and all have long since provided massive amounts of research to indicate the shifting floors of epistemology, where science is wielded as power. More recently, Dr. Audra J Wolfe has been exploring this complex tapestry. http://audrajwolfe.com/ http://audrajwolfe.com/ > There is a very large range of quality of information, it is not all the same. The amount of bias and ulterior agenda in information varies hugely. Again, you’ve lost the thread when you are grounding yourself in an “this is information” and “this is not”. The question before your presumption is an epistemological one.
- DennisAleynikov 8y agoHow does one determine how high quality their information is? I was getting more at the fact that science fundamentally fails to ever find the truth instead finding a reproducible phenomenon in nature and catalogs it. There is so much illusory information people disseminate today through misquoting or cherry picking scientific consensus to push an agenda that ite toxic. But also we are blessed with the internet and means to fact check what we hear. I don't believe this problem is getting worse in 2018 than say the 1900's. Snake oil salesmen still typically quote facts, no matter how dubious.
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