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I'd say it's far more likely that they're concerned with Google's increased evilness becoming a hot topic among current employees as well as the general public.

I'd say it's far more likely that they're concerned with Google's increased evilness becoming a hot topic among current employees as well as the general public. This will no doubt result in many of the brightest engineers choosing to work for competing companies that aren't morally bankrupt. Working for Google used to be argubly the most prestigious job among software engineers, but they're heading towards the same path as Facebook.

diminoten 8y ago
Okay sure, but the biggest leaks of the year were related to the Pixel 3, not due to any of this "they're more evil" nonsense that this site cares about, but almost no one else does. And working for Google hasn't changed one iota. Stop pretending like HN is a bellweather of anything at all. It's not. Get out of your bubble.
- abc-xyz 8y ago
  Oh my.. if you think the Pixel leaks were bigger than the Dragonfly leaks, then it's definitely you living in a bubble. Google has been condemned by leaders around the world, including the freaking Vice President. Facebook and Google are being fined for billions for their evil behavior. Literally hundreds of Google engineers and managers has publicly condemned their employer because of the Dragonfly project, risking their job and future promotions. When has that ever happened before? I certainly can't think of another instance. If you think Facebook and Google hasn't been affected by the evil "nonsense" then I suspect you greatly underestimate the quantity and quality of the HN engineers, as well as how big the topic of privacy has become outside HN/Reddit/etc as well. The ivy league school I went to certainly discussed the evil practices of Facebook very often, and several would be ashamed of working there.. I graduated long before the Dragonfly project came to light, but there's no doubt in my mind that it's a hot topic at all the top universities, as well as workplaces around the world.
  - diminoten 8y ago
    A) The Vice President's condemnations ought to be worn with a badge of pride, B) Google is being fined billions because the EU wants money, not because they've done anything amoral, C) employees protest the actions of their employer all the time (see every single labor dispute ever), D) I don't underestimate anything, I accurately estimate how small of a topic privacy is to everyone outside of Internet forums, E) "several" is hardly a movement; I know "several" people who would be ashamed to work at WHO because of how "under-prepared" they are for a zombie apocalypse, and finally F) your comment absolutely confirms your status in the HN "pretend to be concerned while actually doing nothing and continuing to use/benefit from the very people/organizations you claim to dislike" bubble that you and so many other people on HN seem to live in. You're not grounded in reality, so your opinions as you've expressed them so far are not even remotely accurate, for the reasons I've listed above, as well as many others. You're going to continue to be surprised and confused about why things happen, and it's not going to get better until you figure out a way to hop off your cloud and come join us in the real world, because here no one gives a shit about Dragonfly (many down here, including at least one Chinese citizen, think it's better to have Google at all), and everyone is laughing at Google for their inability to keep the Pixel 3 under wraps.
    - forgottenpass 8y ago
      >A) The Vice President's condemnations ought to be worn with a badge of pride You hate Pence so much that selling out to totalitarian regimes is worthwhile if it spites him?
      - diminoten 8y ago
        Of course not. You really can't even fathom any possible other meaning behind what I wrote than that?
        forgottenpass 8y ago
        >You really can't even fathom any possible other meaning behind what I wrote than that? In context, no. But rather than reiterate the last few posts in this thread, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Please explain to me how Googlers should wear Pence's accusation that they're "abetting Beijing’s oppression" with pride.

diminoten 8y ago

Okay sure, but the biggest leaks of the year were related to the Pixel 3, not due to any of this "they're more evil" nonsense that this site cares about, but almost no one else does. And working for Google hasn't changed one iota. Stop pretending like HN is a bellweather of anything at all. It's not. Get out of your bubble.

abc-xyz 8y ago
Oh my.. if you think the Pixel leaks were bigger than the Dragonfly leaks, then it's definitely you living in a bubble. Google has been condemned by leaders around the world, including the freaking Vice President. Facebook and Google are being fined for billions for their evil behavior. Literally hundreds of Google engineers and managers has publicly condemned their employer because of the Dragonfly project, risking their job and future promotions. When has that ever happened before? I certainly can't think of another instance. If you think Facebook and Google hasn't been affected by the evil "nonsense" then I suspect you greatly underestimate the quantity and quality of the HN engineers, as well as how big the topic of privacy has become outside HN/Reddit/etc as well. The ivy league school I went to certainly discussed the evil practices of Facebook very often, and several would be ashamed of working there.. I graduated long before the Dragonfly project came to light, but there's no doubt in my mind that it's a hot topic at all the top universities, as well as workplaces around the world.
- diminoten 8y ago
  A) The Vice President's condemnations ought to be worn with a badge of pride, B) Google is being fined billions because the EU wants money, not because they've done anything amoral, C) employees protest the actions of their employer all the time (see every single labor dispute ever), D) I don't underestimate anything, I accurately estimate how small of a topic privacy is to everyone outside of Internet forums, E) "several" is hardly a movement; I know "several" people who would be ashamed to work at WHO because of how "under-prepared" they are for a zombie apocalypse, and finally F) your comment absolutely confirms your status in the HN "pretend to be concerned while actually doing nothing and continuing to use/benefit from the very people/organizations you claim to dislike" bubble that you and so many other people on HN seem to live in. You're not grounded in reality, so your opinions as you've expressed them so far are not even remotely accurate, for the reasons I've listed above, as well as many others. You're going to continue to be surprised and confused about why things happen, and it's not going to get better until you figure out a way to hop off your cloud and come join us in the real world, because here no one gives a shit about Dragonfly (many down here, including at least one Chinese citizen, think it's better to have Google at all), and everyone is laughing at Google for their inability to keep the Pixel 3 under wraps.
  - forgottenpass 8y ago
    >A) The Vice President's condemnations ought to be worn with a badge of pride You hate Pence so much that selling out to totalitarian regimes is worthwhile if it spites him?
    - diminoten 8y ago
      Of course not. You really can't even fathom any possible other meaning behind what I wrote than that?
      - forgottenpass 8y ago
        >You really can't even fathom any possible other meaning behind what I wrote than that? In context, no. But rather than reiterate the last few posts in this thread, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Please explain to me how Googlers should wear Pence's accusation that they're "abetting Beijing’s oppression" with pride.