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This will probably be unpopular opinion but I found it striking how he feels the biggest problem with Trump is how liberals react to him, not the vast numbers o

by zzzeek 8y ago

This will probably be unpopular opinion but I found it striking how he feels the biggest problem with Trump is how liberals react to him, not the vast numbers of ignorant crypto racists the who put him in power and continue to support him.

Joeboy 8y ago
He's saying the problem is that Trump doesn't have an effective political opposition.
- zzzeek 8y ago
  Yet the opposition won the largest midterm house victory in decades. All that liberal outrage may have been useful. Conservative elites who laugh at the whole process will have us to thank when we finally take a much needed check against an outrageously corrupt and incompetent administration.
- tjr225 8y ago
  Just the other day I was in downtown Seattle and there was a protest going on - which isn't a strange occurance - and as someone who is probably even further to the left than these protesters, I couldn't help but think that while I essentially agree with everything the protesters are saying, it is a real shame that these people are so bad at communication, unification, and even garnering any real enthusiasm about them. They're bad at their jobs.
- okr 8y ago
  That is no wonder to me. None of their outrage touches my heart anymore. To me its just screaming. I stopped listening. Which is probably very unfair, because everyone wants just to live a good life. People have some different ideas on how to achieve them. I did not expect such a divide.
krapp 8y ago
> not the vast numbers of ignorant crypto racists the who put him in power and continue to support him. That arguably is not a problem with Trump, but a problem with the reactionary nature of modern American politics, and the success with which the alt-right and white supremacist movements hijacked the anti-globalist sentiment behind Trump and resold it as being fundamentally about lower-class white struggle.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > That arguably is not a problem with Trump It's absolutely a problem with Trump, since his Presidential run was designed specifically to exploit it (somewhat ironically, given that his stated reason for abandoning his first Presidential campaign, for the Reform Party nomination in 2000 was in part to avoid being associated with David Duke, who was competing for the same party’s nomination; Trump would in the 2016 campaign claim never to have heard of Duke after Duke endorsed him.)

by zzzeek 8y ago

Joeboy 8y ago

He's saying the problem is that Trump doesn't have an effective political opposition.

zzzeek 8y ago
Yet the opposition won the largest midterm house victory in decades. All that liberal outrage may have been useful. Conservative elites who laugh at the whole process will have us to thank when we finally take a much needed check against an outrageously corrupt and incompetent administration.
tjr225 8y ago
Just the other day I was in downtown Seattle and there was a protest going on - which isn't a strange occurance - and as someone who is probably even further to the left than these protesters, I couldn't help but think that while I essentially agree with everything the protesters are saying, it is a real shame that these people are so bad at communication, unification, and even garnering any real enthusiasm about them. They're bad at their jobs.
okr 8y ago
That is no wonder to me. None of their outrage touches my heart anymore. To me its just screaming. I stopped listening. Which is probably very unfair, because everyone wants just to live a good life. People have some different ideas on how to achieve them. I did not expect such a divide.

krapp 8y ago

> not the vast numbers of ignorant crypto racists the who put him in power and continue to support him. That arguably is not a problem with Trump, but a problem with the reactionary nature of modern American politics, and the success with which the alt-right and white supremacist movements hijacked the anti-globalist sentiment behind Trump and resold it as being fundamentally about lower-class white struggle.

dragonwriter 8y ago
> That arguably is not a problem with Trump It's absolutely a problem with Trump, since his Presidential run was designed specifically to exploit it (somewhat ironically, given that his stated reason for abandoning his first Presidential campaign, for the Reform Party nomination in 2000 was in part to avoid being associated with David Duke, who was competing for the same party’s nomination; Trump would in the 2016 campaign claim never to have heard of Duke after Duke endorsed him.)