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> is also a lot more economical than 1200 humans sitting at home playing Fortnite all day because there are no jobs No it is not. I personally care about peop

by stale2002 8y ago

> is also a lot more economical than 1200 humans sitting at home playing Fortnite all day because there are no jobs No it is not. I personally care about people being able to do what they want with their free time. The situation you describe is only "efficient" if you value everyone's free time and happiness at 0. I care about people's happiness, on the other hand. The main goal of society should be to provide people with things that they want, and that includes leisure time.

visarga 8y ago
On the contrary, I think it would be a great benefit to people if they could be more self reliant / not as dependent on state and corporations to survive. I prefer self reliance to more leisure time.
- stale2002 8y ago
  You might prefer that. But other people don't. If they did care about that, then they wouldnt be using that leisure time, they would be becoming more self reliant. I personally want people to have a choice of what to do with their time, and not have values forced on them.
naravara 8y ago
>No it is not. I personally care about people being able to do what they want with their free time. Just tranq them all with a guaranteed supply of opiates then. Problem solved. People's needs and wants are socially conditioned. It's not like their "wants" just sprang out of thin air. They were created by the culture and social expectations around them. And many of those social expectations make people feel obligated to feel useful. That means they need to be provided with avenues where they can feel useful instead of doping themselves with addictions to fill the sense of purposeless anomie that they fall into when alienated from public life. Make work programs, like urban forestry or gardening, are good ways to do this as they beautify the spaces where we live and are unlikely to be done adequately without some societal coordination.

visarga 8y ago

On the contrary, I think it would be a great benefit to people if they could be more self reliant / not as dependent on state and corporations to survive. I prefer self reliance to more leisure time.

stale2002 8y ago
You might prefer that. But other people don't. If they did care about that, then they wouldnt be using that leisure time, they would be becoming more self reliant. I personally want people to have a choice of what to do with their time, and not have values forced on them.

naravara 8y ago

>No it is not. I personally care about people being able to do what they want with their free time. Just tranq them all with a guaranteed supply of opiates then. Problem solved. People's needs and wants are socially conditioned. It's not like their "wants" just sprang out of thin air. They were created by the culture and social expectations around them. And many of those social expectations make people feel obligated to feel useful. That means they need to be provided with avenues where they can feel useful instead of doping themselves with addictions to fill the sense of purposeless anomie that they fall into when alienated from public life. Make work programs, like urban forestry or gardening, are good ways to do this as they beautify the spaces where we live and are unlikely to be done adequately without some societal coordination.