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this reminds me common sight of foreigner with local Chinese girlfriend/wife and sellers in markets blaming her for helping foreigner so much for possibility o
by Markoff 8y ago
this reminds me common sight of foreigner with local Chinese girlfriend/wife and sellers in markets blaming her for helping foreigner
so much for possibility of integration into Chinese society as foreigner, no matter how good it's your Chinese or culture knowledge you will never be accepted
- antt 8y agoGive it 30 years. Including a lot of uncomfortable call outs when someone starts going on about how great the Chinese are genetically.
- claudiawerner 8y agoI think some people have to be 'pioneers' on that front; in this case, I wouldn't be so offended that someone who is trying to swindle me doesn't accept me. Part of growing as a person is identifying, challenging or accepting your biases, which can be uncomfortable; if a person (Chinese or otherwise) doesn't accept me as a result of not doing that, it's on them, and it's their failure as a person. At most I can advocate that others challenge their beliefs so the next person in my (hypothetical) position doesn't have to suffer such fools.
- Markoff 8y agoyou will give up after few years if it's majority of society around you, you don't really wanna spend life in society where you are not accepted and always seen as outsider even after decades while you may be bigger Beijinger than most of new Chinese arrivals
- mrhappyunhappy 8y agoNot just China, Japan too. No level of language fluency will get you accepted into the Japanese society. If you don’t look Japanese, you’ll always be a foreigner. You can even be born part Japanese and if you look mostly white then you’re still on the outside.
- roneen31 8y agoHow did Japan came to the discussion in the first place? You wanted to add a random fact you read on the internet? And to add my own opinion, for the people that know you, you are considered one and the same. Yes people who don't know you will assume you are a foreigner due to your looks, but why do you think this is a Japanese and Chinese thing only? Do you really think an asian man is seen as local in the first glance in Sweden or Ethiopia? Not everywhere is America.
- Markoff 8y agowell it's known fact Japanese are even bigger racists than Chinese, although i would not call it for most of the Chinese really racism, more life ignorance and lack of knowledge or just curiosity, for sure I experienced more racist/xenophobic behavior in few months in Prague than in years in Beijing, so in hindsight Chinese are not really that racists, which still doesn't negate fact that you will be always outsider not accepted and feel uncomfortable after few years
- tooltalk 8y agoThere is probably a lot of that going on everywhere. There are some studies done to demonstrate that such possible bias exists even in America -- eg, "Xenophobia in American Courts" KA Moore. I noticed some oddities during the epic Samsung vs Apple trials years back. There were some lopsided procedural rulings against Samsung, a foreign business entity, that crippled their defense; when Samsung prevailed in ITC, Obama reversed Samsung's ITC win against Apple that would have banned import of iPhones (or would have forced Apple to settle with Samsung) on some nebulous "public interest" ground; and, finally, absurd infringements and equally silly huge monetary damage unseen elsewhere by American court jury and judge. But who cares. Trump, like its predecessor Obama, ought to be able to do whatever necessary to protect successful domestic businesses against foreign competitors. I think we just need to stop thinking it's all about fairness. China likewise should be able to do whatever it sees necessary to protect and promote their domestic economy.
- rhegart 8y agoWe take America too much for granted. I came as an immigrant child 25 years ago and aside from maybe 4-5 relatively minor incidents, I haven’t faced any major racism. Considering that I have maybe 2 dozen interactions daily and have encountered likely 10,000 people in my life that’s quite extraordinary. A recent survey came out that 60% of millennial believe America is one of the most racist countries in the world. Have significant immigration to any other country and watch the tribalism rise up. America post 1990s has been the most welcome place for mass immigration in human history. In regards to China, I think they are great with foreigners. Urban China is quite fantastic. Might get a few dirty stares if with a Chinese woman but all things considered that’s not bad at all. Hopefully soon it’ll get better over the coming decades.