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Why do you deserve level playing field? The rules always favor locals. No foreigner can just come to the US to work or try to make a fortune from scratch. You n

Why do you deserve level playing field? The rules always favor locals. No foreigner can just come to the US to work or try to make a fortune from scratch. You need to bring something special: capital or knowledge/skills. Why do you expect China to be different? You need to give them what they want if you want to prosper there.

sheepmullet 8y ago
> You need to bring something special: capital or knowledge/skills. Unfortunately that is not really true. But it’s certainly a good idea!
- fspeech 8y ago
  The other thing to note when doing a compare and contrast is that China is a high savings country with no shortage of capital. Maybe in the very beginning of the reform and opening era they did but it hasn't been the case for over two decades. US on the other hand is the largest importer of capital in the world. So it can be expected that China with its thirsts for know-how and market access but not capital will behave very differently from the US, all else being equal. This is generally true for other East Asian countries as well.
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HillaryBriss 8y ago
> No foreigner can just come to the US to work or try to make a fortune from scratch. plenty of politicians love to tell everyone ad nauseam about someone who came to the US and "found the American Dream". America is the freest, most open society in the world. it's what makes us different from other countries. blah blah blah. you hear this kind of idealism all the time. some people would say it's a foundational, fundamental feature of America. (Others would not.) does anyone say that in China?
friedman23 8y ago
They don't, and the Huawei CFO doesn't deserve to not be in prison either. Your argument is reductionist to the point of stupidity. I'm glad the Chinese have this belief that foreigners do not deserve a level playing field, they will get the same curtesy. > No foreigner can just come to the US to work or try to make a fortune from scratch. they can. You can start a business in the US as a foreigner and you will be treated the same as any other American.
- fspeech 8y ago
  Not sure what your anger is aimed at. In the US as a foreigner you can not work without a work visa. Employment opportunities are reserved for US residents first. To start a business you need a business visa https://business-law.freeadvice.com/business-law/starting_a_business/small-business-immigration-2.htm https://business-law.freeadvice.com/business-law/starting_a_... requiring you to have substantial resources in the first place. I believe these all to be reasonable and it is great that US treat those who are allowed to legally work and invest here mostly equitably. But it does not mean any foreigner in the US can just demand a level playing field, say one who comes on a tourist visa or a student visa or who doesn't have legal status at all. Not to mention those who want to come but are blocked at the border. In general it is much harder for someone from China to get a visa to the US in the first place than the other way around. It is also not unreasonable: traditionally the immigration is one way from China to the US and to gain a non-immigration visa one needs to first convince the consular officer of no intention to immigrate. I am not complaining about any of this just pointing out that foreigners always need to play by the hosts' rules if they want to be welcome.

sheepmullet 8y ago

> You need to bring something special: capital or knowledge/skills. Unfortunately that is not really true. But it’s certainly a good idea!

fspeech 8y ago
The other thing to note when doing a compare and contrast is that China is a high savings country with no shortage of capital. Maybe in the very beginning of the reform and opening era they did but it hasn't been the case for over two decades. US on the other hand is the largest importer of capital in the world. So it can be expected that China with its thirsts for know-how and market access but not capital will behave very differently from the US, all else being equal. This is generally true for other East Asian countries as well.

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HillaryBriss 8y ago

> No foreigner can just come to the US to work or try to make a fortune from scratch. plenty of politicians love to tell everyone ad nauseam about someone who came to the US and "found the American Dream". America is the freest, most open society in the world. it's what makes us different from other countries. blah blah blah. you hear this kind of idealism all the time. some people would say it's a foundational, fundamental feature of America. (Others would not.) does anyone say that in China?

friedman23 8y ago

They don't, and the Huawei CFO doesn't deserve to not be in prison either. Your argument is reductionist to the point of stupidity. I'm glad the Chinese have this belief that foreigners do not deserve a level playing field, they will get the same curtesy. > No foreigner can just come to the US to work or try to make a fortune from scratch. they can. You can start a business in the US as a foreigner and you will be treated the same as any other American.

fspeech 8y ago
Not sure what your anger is aimed at. In the US as a foreigner you can not work without a work visa. Employment opportunities are reserved for US residents first. To start a business you need a business visa https://business-law.freeadvice.com/business-law/starting_a_business/small-business-immigration-2.htm https://business-law.freeadvice.com/business-law/starting_a_... requiring you to have substantial resources in the first place. I believe these all to be reasonable and it is great that US treat those who are allowed to legally work and invest here mostly equitably. But it does not mean any foreigner in the US can just demand a level playing field, say one who comes on a tourist visa or a student visa or who doesn't have legal status at all. Not to mention those who want to come but are blocked at the border. In general it is much harder for someone from China to get a visa to the US in the first place than the other way around. It is also not unreasonable: traditionally the immigration is one way from China to the US and to gain a non-immigration visa one needs to first convince the consular officer of no intention to immigrate. I am not complaining about any of this just pointing out that foreigners always need to play by the hosts' rules if they want to be welcome.