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The article claims that the NCAP's problems with automated systems was that "apparently they work too well." It then goes on to enumerate a host of problems wi
by jaysonelliot 8y ago
The article claims that the NCAP's problems with automated systems was that "apparently they work too well."
It then goes on to enumerate a host of problems with Tesla's Autopilot, including a lack of geofencing, poor monitoring of human attention, "late or no response" to cut-in-and-out scenarios, AutoSteer's resistance to human control, and the system's trouble with some curves, and of course Tesla's inconsistent and confusing messaging about what exactly Autopilot is meant to be.
Far from being a "trashing," it sounds like the Euro NCAP did exactly what it was supposed to do, which is to advocate for safety.
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- fossuser 8y agoI really don’t like geofencing or aggressive human attention monitoring so the lack of both of those things are features. The steering wheel attention requests are pretty frequent anyway. The other complaints are largely remedied by being a safe driver - the car says all over the place what the limitations of autopilot are when you go to use it.
- simion314 8y agoDid you read about the case where the driver was sleeping and the car did not stop because it did not realize it? Do you think this is a feature?
- fossuser 8y agoI don’t think that’s what has happening given how much it asks you to touch the wheel. Same thing could happen with cruise control and be even more dangerous.
- simion314 8y agoWhat do you mean? I imagine the driver was sleeping with the hands on the wheel. IMO this systems that work for 99% of cases but stil require 100% driver attention are dangerous and it should include as much software and hardware to make sure the human is paying attention and not sleeping or watching movies
- fossuser 8y agoIt doesn't really work for 99% of cases, it works for maybe 60% and most of that is uninterrupted freeway driving without construction zones. I think it'd be hard to sleep with your hands on the wheel and cause enough resistance to keep the car from complaining. Though I suppose it's possible - I thought the driver was drunk in that case (could be mistaken)?
- simion314 8y agoFrom what I read the drunk driver is a different guy then the sleeping driver, you can google for more info.
- gamblor956 8y agoThe officers had visuals on the car for at least 7 minutes. It's exactly what happened: the guy was asleep at the wheel of his Tesla.
- emn13 8y agoAlso, I'd assume that if police officers noticed one such case it's pretty plausible there have been and will be other, unreported cases where people got lucky.
- dogma1138 8y agohttps://youtu.be/rOST5S06F-o https://youtu.be/rOST5S06F-o
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago> Do you think this is a feature? If you're talking about the recent case where police followed the car for 7 minutes and brought it to a controlled stop then this is pretty much a resounding yes! If I fell asleep at the wheel of my car I'd more than likely be dead within seconds.
- close04 8y agoSome don’t like seatbelts. But if your concern is safety priorities change.
- fossuser 8y agoMotorcycles are still legal even though they’re far more dangerous than sitting in a car without a seatbelt. There are reasonable trade offs to make.
- leetcrew 8y agodriving without a seatbelt is not just more dangerous for you; it's also more dangerous for the people around you in the event of an accident, because your body can become a dangerous projectile. obviously the projectile argument also applies to a motorcycle, but for the most part only the rider is exposed to more risk when they ride a motorcycle.
- xondono 8y agoSwitch “advocate for safety” with “defend the interest of german car manufacturers” and then I’ll buy it