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It's an old trick of antisemites. If you lurk antisemite pages or speak with antisemites, you'll find that a common talking point is the importance of Jews in t

It's an old trick of antisemites. If you lurk antisemite pages or speak with antisemites, you'll find that a common talking point is the importance of Jews in the birth of communism (and the supposed link between Jews and communism in general), and likewise the importance of Jews in contemporary finance and politics. If you were to listen to such talking points, you'd argue that they were not actual anti-semites, but merely anti-finance-semites, anti-globalization-semites, anti-Soros-semites and the like. Being the author of important pieces of literature unfortunately does not prevent one from holding wrong positions - a similar, well-known case is James Watson, co-discoverer of the DNA, Nobel Prize in Medicine, and yet holding eugenetic views.

effry-much 8y ago
It is an old trick of right-wing Jewish extremists and (paradoxically) marxism-communism apologists. You take a person that likes Jews in general with exception of some small group of Jewish criminals, murderers or marxists, and call him anti-semite. Please go over subset theory again. If I don't mind eating cupcakes, with exception of small group of cupcakes with nutella, it does NOT make me a cupcake hater.
- CapacitorSet 8y ago
  The matter is that he is specifically denouncing Jews in their link with the USSR, that's what makes him worthy of being called antisemite. It's not merely a coincidence (i.e. he denounces a specific social group which happens to contain many Jews), he singled them out in the context of denouncing the Soviet Union.
karpodiem 8y ago
Interesting that one cannot critique Jews without being called an anti-Semite.
- Theodores 8y ago
  The problem is deeper than that. All discussion is absurd on both sides and nobody knows or understands the history that led to things getting this way. Particular peeves of mine are 'the Jews killed Jesus' and the 'usury' thing. There is no evidence for the 'Jews killed Jesus' meme that has been doing the rounds for almost two millennia. Yet it persists like an extremely bad penny. The 'usury' thing - Jewish bankers controlling everything is usually told by people who have no idea of how kings in Europe used to extort money from Jewish people, not allowing them to have land and basically making sure they did horrible jobs, like tax-collecting, which was not popular with peasant types in Middle Ages Europe. Then they would evict them taking their cash off them. Another one that irks me is how people criticise Jewish people for being successful in various trades, for instance in the UK a huge amount of fashion retail is a Jewish thing. Other minorities get criticised for not being in business, e.g. in America the black people working for the white man and not setting up their own black business networks. Despite all of the war-crime grade problems of what is going on in Israel and prevalent attitudes on all sides I really do like working with Jewish people, locally and from Israel. I have been astounded at the code written by some of the geniuses I have had to work with from Israel, yet at the same time felt happy with myself that I have not been indoctrinated in the way they have been when it comes to Palestine. Sometimes it is good to know that someone smarter than yourself does not know everything. Trade and working together is the way to greater understanding. A lack of education about our collective history as well as our gone-wrong capitalism and the militarism that enforces our gone-wrong capitalism has to be seen as the true enemy. In a fair world of genuine free market internationalism we can move on from the lies and suspicions that have held mankind back.
  - asianthrowaway 8y ago
    > There is no evidence for the 'Jews killed Jesus' meme that has been doing the rounds for almost two millennia. Err, it's in the Bible? I mean if you believe Jesus existed and that the New Testament is an accurate recollection of his life, then Jesus (who was himself Jewish) was indeed killed at the request of the Jewish authorities at the time (not that it justifies modern antisemitism in any way obviously). But yeah, weird that you'd mention that specifically! There are a lot more absurd memes circulating about Jews (elders of zion, etc.) than the "Jews killed Jesus" meme, which did actually happen (if you believe in the veracity of the New Testament).
asianthrowaway 8y ago
> you'll find that a common talking point is the importance of Jews in the birth of communism (and the supposed link between Jews and communism in general), and likewise the importance of Jews in contemporary finance and politics. I mean, yeah Jews have historically been important in the Russian communist movement, as well as in the birth of financial institutions in the West. How are these two facts controversial? > does not prevent one from holding wrong positions What's a "wrong position"?
agsdfgsd 8y ago
>Being the author of important pieces of literature unfortunately does not prevent one from holding wrong positions - a similar, well-known case is James Watson, co-discoverer of the DNA, Nobel Prize in Medicine, and yet holding eugenetic views. The view he expressed which you vilify him for is not wrong. He simply said there is no reason to expect two different population groups that evolved in different circumstances to have identical mental capabilities. You may dislike it, but the simple fact is we have isolated dozens of genes that are responsible for a significant portion of the racial IQ difference. His view is not wrong, it is correct.

effry-much 8y ago

It is an old trick of right-wing Jewish extremists and (paradoxically) marxism-communism apologists. You take a person that likes Jews in general with exception of some small group of Jewish criminals, murderers or marxists, and call him anti-semite. Please go over subset theory again. If I don't mind eating cupcakes, with exception of small group of cupcakes with nutella, it does NOT make me a cupcake hater.

CapacitorSet 8y ago
The matter is that he is specifically denouncing Jews in their link with the USSR, that's what makes him worthy of being called antisemite. It's not merely a coincidence (i.e. he denounces a specific social group which happens to contain many Jews), he singled them out in the context of denouncing the Soviet Union.

karpodiem 8y ago

Interesting that one cannot critique Jews without being called an anti-Semite.

Theodores 8y ago
The problem is deeper than that. All discussion is absurd on both sides and nobody knows or understands the history that led to things getting this way. Particular peeves of mine are 'the Jews killed Jesus' and the 'usury' thing. There is no evidence for the 'Jews killed Jesus' meme that has been doing the rounds for almost two millennia. Yet it persists like an extremely bad penny. The 'usury' thing - Jewish bankers controlling everything is usually told by people who have no idea of how kings in Europe used to extort money from Jewish people, not allowing them to have land and basically making sure they did horrible jobs, like tax-collecting, which was not popular with peasant types in Middle Ages Europe. Then they would evict them taking their cash off them. Another one that irks me is how people criticise Jewish people for being successful in various trades, for instance in the UK a huge amount of fashion retail is a Jewish thing. Other minorities get criticised for not being in business, e.g. in America the black people working for the white man and not setting up their own black business networks. Despite all of the war-crime grade problems of what is going on in Israel and prevalent attitudes on all sides I really do like working with Jewish people, locally and from Israel. I have been astounded at the code written by some of the geniuses I have had to work with from Israel, yet at the same time felt happy with myself that I have not been indoctrinated in the way they have been when it comes to Palestine. Sometimes it is good to know that someone smarter than yourself does not know everything. Trade and working together is the way to greater understanding. A lack of education about our collective history as well as our gone-wrong capitalism and the militarism that enforces our gone-wrong capitalism has to be seen as the true enemy. In a fair world of genuine free market internationalism we can move on from the lies and suspicions that have held mankind back.
- asianthrowaway 8y ago
  > There is no evidence for the 'Jews killed Jesus' meme that has been doing the rounds for almost two millennia. Err, it's in the Bible? I mean if you believe Jesus existed and that the New Testament is an accurate recollection of his life, then Jesus (who was himself Jewish) was indeed killed at the request of the Jewish authorities at the time (not that it justifies modern antisemitism in any way obviously). But yeah, weird that you'd mention that specifically! There are a lot more absurd memes circulating about Jews (elders of zion, etc.) than the "Jews killed Jesus" meme, which did actually happen (if you believe in the veracity of the New Testament).

asianthrowaway 8y ago

> you'll find that a common talking point is the importance of Jews in the birth of communism (and the supposed link between Jews and communism in general), and likewise the importance of Jews in contemporary finance and politics. I mean, yeah Jews have historically been important in the Russian communist movement, as well as in the birth of financial institutions in the West. How are these two facts controversial? > does not prevent one from holding wrong positions What's a "wrong position"?

agsdfgsd 8y ago

>Being the author of important pieces of literature unfortunately does not prevent one from holding wrong positions - a similar, well-known case is James Watson, co-discoverer of the DNA, Nobel Prize in Medicine, and yet holding eugenetic views. The view he expressed which you vilify him for is not wrong. He simply said there is no reason to expect two different population groups that evolved in different circumstances to have identical mental capabilities. You may dislike it, but the simple fact is we have isolated dozens of genes that are responsible for a significant portion of the racial IQ difference. His view is not wrong, it is correct.