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When you write "places the gulag system in a different light" I can't read it as anything but genocide denial.

ethelward 8y ago
> genocide denial Please don't use powerful words at the wrong place, you are depleting them of their meaning. A genocide has an actual definition according to the international law, and the Gulag system does not tick any of the boxes. The Gulag system was a very harsh penal colony system (although on a far larger scale that what was done before), in continuation of the ones already existing during the tsarist times – and with death rates comparable to what could be found i.e. in the Cayenne penal colony. It was neither aimed at killing convicts (with mortality rates under 10%, it would have done an awful job at it), nor was it targeting a peculiar ethnic group.
- vixen99 8y ago
  So what's the term for over 1.5 million Poles deported to the interior of the USSR?
- rjplatte 8y ago
  Wow. #StalinDidNothingWrong, comrade? Please read what you just wrote. The Gulags killed vast numbers of people in an incredibly inhumane fashion (no gas there!), in many cases based on their ethnic religion, and here you are defending it.
- badpun 8y ago
  > The Gulag system was a very harsh penal colony system This is incorrect - the purpose of a penal colony system is to host criminals, while most people who were imprisoned in Gulag were innocent. It looks like the real purpose of the system was to convert innocent Soviet citizens' bodies into energy needed for physical labor. People captured in the system got worked to the bone and were on starvation-level food rations. In the process of physical work, their bodies burned their tissues as fuel (in lieu of insufficient external calories being provided in food), which lead to death of malnutrition and starvation within a couple of years. Millions of people were used this way to complete great industrial projects at minimal costs. This is not a penal system, this is Auschwitz.
- gandhium 8y ago
  > with mortality rates under 10% More than 10%, and much more in some places or during some periods.
kryogen1c 8y ago
Yeah I agree. This is tantamount to Holocaust denial, and to go on and compare the gulags to the American penal system really highlights the degree of nonsense.

> genocide denial Please don't use powerful words at the wrong place, you are depleting them of their meaning. A genocide has an actual definition according to the international law, and the Gulag system does not tick any of the boxes. The Gulag system was a very harsh penal colony system (although on a far larger scale that what was done before), in continuation of the ones already existing during the tsarist times – and with death rates comparable to what could be found i.e. in the Cayenne penal colony. It was neither aimed at killing convicts (with mortality rates under 10%, it would have done an awful job at it), nor was it targeting a peculiar ethnic group.

vixen99 8y ago
So what's the term for over 1.5 million Poles deported to the interior of the USSR?
rjplatte 8y ago
Wow. #StalinDidNothingWrong, comrade? Please read what you just wrote. The Gulags killed vast numbers of people in an incredibly inhumane fashion (no gas there!), in many cases based on their ethnic religion, and here you are defending it.
badpun 8y ago
> The Gulag system was a very harsh penal colony system This is incorrect - the purpose of a penal colony system is to host criminals, while most people who were imprisoned in Gulag were innocent. It looks like the real purpose of the system was to convert innocent Soviet citizens' bodies into energy needed for physical labor. People captured in the system got worked to the bone and were on starvation-level food rations. In the process of physical work, their bodies burned their tissues as fuel (in lieu of insufficient external calories being provided in food), which lead to death of malnutrition and starvation within a couple of years. Millions of people were used this way to complete great industrial projects at minimal costs. This is not a penal system, this is Auschwitz.
gandhium 8y ago
> with mortality rates under 10% More than 10%, and much more in some places or during some periods.

kryogen1c 8y ago

Yeah I agree. This is tantamount to Holocaust denial, and to go on and compare the gulags to the American penal system really highlights the degree of nonsense.