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I completely understand you. Some people go to school, spend hours studying at home and in school, apply to a company, get a job, have a routine. I get out of b

I completely understand you. Some people go to school, spend hours studying at home and in school, apply to a company, get a job, have a routine. I get out of bed and somehow snowball into a tornado that I kind of steer towards where I wanna go in life. Anyways, the main difference here is in how I think your (and mine!) brain works - we think in abstractions, get bored with details and implementations. We recognize patterns and priniciples, that's why there are things you "know" but have barely ever done in your life. That's why stuff is boring - you know or can assume it already because you recognize the patterns and principles behind it. It's just an implementation of an abstraction.

mockingbirdy 8y ago
People with this personality type are very reflective and have profound thoughts, but they often lack execution. You'll be most successful in think tanks or if you lead teams where you give high-level directions (you will need a business partner that is convinced by your vision and who implements it). It's also good to know that the brain constantly creates simulations about different situations. It's very important to realize that these simulations are not always accurate because they use your current beliefs about yourself to infer the emotions you would feel in that situation. You should go into situations instead of just imaging them - it'll lead to a more accurate model of reality in your mind and you'll be pleasantly surprised how inaccurate some simulations were. Social stuff stops being boring then.
- thecupisblue 8y ago
  That's exactly what I noticed! I always tried to make myself the "implementer" but now that I have friends that are "implementers" it's way easier to do stuff. And luckily this is the same thing that my employers noticed. > You should go into situations instead of just imaging them - it'll lead to a more accurate model of reality in your mind and you'll be pleasantly surprised how inaccurate some simulations were. Social stuff stops being boring then Thanks. I know that and I try to do it but sometimes I need to hear it anew. Are you the same type? And unrelated question, because I feel like you belong to the same tribe. Do you think that sketching, drawing, painting, coding, writing just offloading thoughts on the paper/digital paper? I noticed that I have a tendency to do all kinds of stuff that includes translating abstractions to a medium (for example, invoking feelings with poetry, explaining with metaphors or sketching out ideas)
  - mockingbirdy 8y ago
    > And luckily this is the same thing that my employers noticed. This is rare. Good leadership in that company. > Are you the same type? Yes. I use voice recordings, sketching and drawing a lot to save mental concepts. Voice recording can be a high-density medium and is one of the most effective ways to preserve ideas and concepts - our consciousness has a specialized part for language understanding, after all.
    - thecupisblue 8y ago
      I tried to do voice, but don't want to listen to myself, I find sketching has a higher compression rate. Just saw your HN submissions and huh the coincidence - I listened to half of Hooked (making addictive apps by Nir) and got the physical copy sitting across me right now. And I also want to do the "crazy professor" style work, recently met another of our kin and we have 2 "implementers" with us in our little think thank group. We were thinking of starting a consultancy that does exactly that. I'd love to talk to you sometimes, my email is on my profile!
      - mockingbirdy 8y ago
        > I find sketching has a higher compression rate This depends on the level of abstractness of the given concept. I also prefer sketching for concrete ideas. > I also want to do the "crazy professor" style work I can relate. Thanks for putting your mail address into your profile, I'm sure there are some interesting topics to discuss.
      - thatoneuser 8y ago
        How did you come across these implementers? I’ve recently been thinking about a concept like this, and how effective I would be to have one, but I’ve never heard the term until you used it. What does your group do? I’m very into the “crazy professor” work concept. I’d love to talk a little, even if just to see how others like myself are pursuing success in their own way.
        8y ago
- thatoneuser 8y ago
  If I can pick your brain for advice - how on earth does one get into a position of being in a think tank or getting to lead teams if one struggles so much on the levels below? I have a decent-ish work history, still in my twenty’s and a masters in a hard science. I believe I’d do well in these positions but it’s daunting to think of how to get there. Any recommendations?
  - mockingbirdy 8y ago
    > I have a decent-ish work history This is all you need - I think it's a necessity that you've proved to yourself (very important for your self-confidence) and potential business partners that you're able to do some real work (otherwise it could be that you're simply a talker). The rest is finding the right people who believe in your vision. This is connected with a simple bit of luck, but I would definitely use networking - I did. Go to meetups, tell your friends that you're searching for committed people who want to do stuff and be able to tell the doers from the talkers. Meet with everyone who seems remotely interested in the idea of starting something. Don't get too excited and start a company with someone you don't know. Get to know each other. Continue to meet other people. I've met several interesting people before I've met my business partner. I've met him through table tennis. He already built something (small one-person company) and therefore I had the confidence that he says what he does. Make sure that you see a provable track record of work before making it official and make sure that you understand your partner on a psychological level - What motivates him? What are his life goals? Why is he a good fit? In which areas do you complement each other? What are your differences in your personalities? How do you resolve conflicts? (essential) Rational or emotional? Narcissistic or other tendencies? (You should know that about yourself, too). I do personality tests (most people like them, anyways) to identify the core strengths and weaknesses (I have to admit - I also did it for dating in the past). Most of the time the results are pretty accurate. It's not about a specific personality type I prefer (motivation is an important factor, too), but I need to know the weaknesses to accommodate for them (the same applies to me).
  - thecupisblue 8y ago
    I'm in my twenties too without a degree - I just gave a ton where I was asked and where I wasn't but I knew I could make a difference. I always strive to make both active and passive changes to better in my ecosystem (be it my city, work, tech community - by doing where I can and teaching or spreading ideas where I can't. And socialising too!
thatoneuser 8y ago
Wow that really hit close to home. ESP the bit about abstractions. And you’re right - I know a lot about things I rightfully should know very little. It’s led to people around me assuming I’m making things up when in reality I’m just connecting seemingly obvious dots. Have you been able to make this successful for yourself?
- thecupisblue 8y ago
  I know man, I feel you., I've spent my whole life trying to get down to people's level so they don't think I'm making stuff up. And you know what? It made it worse. It made me feel fake and closed. It led me to failed friendships and broken hearts. Some time ago I just decided fuck it. I'm not gonna do it. And my life has been way better - the more I decided to be "me" and less "me disguised as an average person because I don't wanna scare everyone off and end up alone" the happier I was. And now I'm just like "okay whatever you wanna believe". (Unless it's work related, then I lead them to the conclusion by asking questions that will hopefully "connect their dots")

mockingbirdy 8y ago

People with this personality type are very reflective and have profound thoughts, but they often lack execution. You'll be most successful in think tanks or if you lead teams where you give high-level directions (you will need a business partner that is convinced by your vision and who implements it). It's also good to know that the brain constantly creates simulations about different situations. It's very important to realize that these simulations are not always accurate because they use your current beliefs about yourself to infer the emotions you would feel in that situation. You should go into situations instead of just imaging them - it'll lead to a more accurate model of reality in your mind and you'll be pleasantly surprised how inaccurate some simulations were. Social stuff stops being boring then.

thecupisblue 8y ago
That's exactly what I noticed! I always tried to make myself the "implementer" but now that I have friends that are "implementers" it's way easier to do stuff. And luckily this is the same thing that my employers noticed. > You should go into situations instead of just imaging them - it'll lead to a more accurate model of reality in your mind and you'll be pleasantly surprised how inaccurate some simulations were. Social stuff stops being boring then Thanks. I know that and I try to do it but sometimes I need to hear it anew. Are you the same type? And unrelated question, because I feel like you belong to the same tribe. Do you think that sketching, drawing, painting, coding, writing just offloading thoughts on the paper/digital paper? I noticed that I have a tendency to do all kinds of stuff that includes translating abstractions to a medium (for example, invoking feelings with poetry, explaining with metaphors or sketching out ideas)
- mockingbirdy 8y ago
  > And luckily this is the same thing that my employers noticed. This is rare. Good leadership in that company. > Are you the same type? Yes. I use voice recordings, sketching and drawing a lot to save mental concepts. Voice recording can be a high-density medium and is one of the most effective ways to preserve ideas and concepts - our consciousness has a specialized part for language understanding, after all.
  - thecupisblue 8y ago
    I tried to do voice, but don't want to listen to myself, I find sketching has a higher compression rate. Just saw your HN submissions and huh the coincidence - I listened to half of Hooked (making addictive apps by Nir) and got the physical copy sitting across me right now. And I also want to do the "crazy professor" style work, recently met another of our kin and we have 2 "implementers" with us in our little think thank group. We were thinking of starting a consultancy that does exactly that. I'd love to talk to you sometimes, my email is on my profile!
    - mockingbirdy 8y ago
      > I find sketching has a higher compression rate This depends on the level of abstractness of the given concept. I also prefer sketching for concrete ideas. > I also want to do the "crazy professor" style work I can relate. Thanks for putting your mail address into your profile, I'm sure there are some interesting topics to discuss.
    - thatoneuser 8y ago
      How did you come across these implementers? I’ve recently been thinking about a concept like this, and how effective I would be to have one, but I’ve never heard the term until you used it. What does your group do? I’m very into the “crazy professor” work concept. I’d love to talk a little, even if just to see how others like myself are pursuing success in their own way.
      - 8y ago
thatoneuser 8y ago
If I can pick your brain for advice - how on earth does one get into a position of being in a think tank or getting to lead teams if one struggles so much on the levels below? I have a decent-ish work history, still in my twenty’s and a masters in a hard science. I believe I’d do well in these positions but it’s daunting to think of how to get there. Any recommendations?
- mockingbirdy 8y ago
  > I have a decent-ish work history This is all you need - I think it's a necessity that you've proved to yourself (very important for your self-confidence) and potential business partners that you're able to do some real work (otherwise it could be that you're simply a talker). The rest is finding the right people who believe in your vision. This is connected with a simple bit of luck, but I would definitely use networking - I did. Go to meetups, tell your friends that you're searching for committed people who want to do stuff and be able to tell the doers from the talkers. Meet with everyone who seems remotely interested in the idea of starting something. Don't get too excited and start a company with someone you don't know. Get to know each other. Continue to meet other people. I've met several interesting people before I've met my business partner. I've met him through table tennis. He already built something (small one-person company) and therefore I had the confidence that he says what he does. Make sure that you see a provable track record of work before making it official and make sure that you understand your partner on a psychological level - What motivates him? What are his life goals? Why is he a good fit? In which areas do you complement each other? What are your differences in your personalities? How do you resolve conflicts? (essential) Rational or emotional? Narcissistic or other tendencies? (You should know that about yourself, too). I do personality tests (most people like them, anyways) to identify the core strengths and weaknesses (I have to admit - I also did it for dating in the past). Most of the time the results are pretty accurate. It's not about a specific personality type I prefer (motivation is an important factor, too), but I need to know the weaknesses to accommodate for them (the same applies to me).
- thecupisblue 8y ago
  I'm in my twenties too without a degree - I just gave a ton where I was asked and where I wasn't but I knew I could make a difference. I always strive to make both active and passive changes to better in my ecosystem (be it my city, work, tech community - by doing where I can and teaching or spreading ideas where I can't. And socialising too!

thatoneuser 8y ago

Wow that really hit close to home. ESP the bit about abstractions. And you’re right - I know a lot about things I rightfully should know very little. It’s led to people around me assuming I’m making things up when in reality I’m just connecting seemingly obvious dots. Have you been able to make this successful for yourself?

thecupisblue 8y ago
I know man, I feel you., I've spent my whole life trying to get down to people's level so they don't think I'm making stuff up. And you know what? It made it worse. It made me feel fake and closed. It led me to failed friendships and broken hearts. Some time ago I just decided fuck it. I'm not gonna do it. And my life has been way better - the more I decided to be "me" and less "me disguised as an average person because I don't wanna scare everyone off and end up alone" the happier I was. And now I'm just like "okay whatever you wanna believe". (Unless it's work related, then I lead them to the conclusion by asking questions that will hopefully "connect their dots")