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It's not that hard to come up with a vanity project that mimics a style wave that just happened, especially if you are from a wealthy family. This is also a com
by olivermarks 8y ago
It's not that hard to come up with a vanity project that mimics a style wave that just happened, especially if you are from a wealthy family. This is also a common criticism of the Beastie Boys, who were the first white rap styled act not to be ridiculed as copyists. (Vanilla ice being a failed earlier example of cultural appropriation...)
more positively the Avalanches have sampled one of chandra's tracks https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9avnqy/the-avalanches-chandra-subways-sample https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9avnqy/the-avalanches-cha...
- lemonberry 8y agoVanilla Ice's first album came out in 1989. The Beastie Boys released their first single in 1983.
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- daeken 8y agoI'm a bit baffled by this, on a few counts. First, many kids from wealthy families have tried and failed to produce great music, c.f. The Shaggs. Second, the Beastie Boys didn't get big because of money, but because they actually produced some novel stuff; their early music had great flow, despite being very rough around the edges with quite poor engineering. Third, as noted in a sibling comment to mine, Vanilla Ice came about more than 5 years after the Beastie Boys.
- olivermarks 8y agofair point. I wan't knocking the BB's - I bought licensed to ill' in 86 at the tail end of the golden era of rap. Vanilla ice was arguably exploiting the rap era after the fact although he was a dancer earlier in that era. My main point was that it's not that hard to produce music emulating what has just happened stylistically, much harder to originate and innovate regardless of where you are from, rich or poor
- tdumitrescu 8y agoWhoa whoa there who says the Shaggs didn't produce great music?!!!
- daeken 8y agoOn this one, I gotta disagree with Zappa. It's great in the same way that Captain Beefheart is; which is to say, it's amazing how much awful can be packed into such a small space. "My Pal Foot Foot" never ceases to amaze me, with the depths of fail it accomplishes. For those who have not yet had the pleasure: https://youtu.be/XR9d4ESlpHY https://youtu.be/XR9d4ESlpHY
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- deadmetheny 8y agoAre you suggesting that the Beastie Boys, the second single ever released by Def Jam records in 1984 (DJ002 in their catalog) and trailblazers in the NYC hip-hop scene, were copyists?
- olivermarks 8y agoI was mentioning that is a common criticism of the BB's, yes
- deadmetheny 8y agoOnly by people who don't know anything about the history of hip-hop, and quite frankly if they can't even learn that much of the history they have no opinion worth hearing.