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It's crazy that cannabis is a schedule 1 drug. It's by far the safe way to manage chronic pain but federally illegal. I'm glad the states have the chutzpah to m

It's crazy that cannabis is a schedule 1 drug. It's by far the safe way to manage chronic pain but federally illegal. I'm glad the states have the chutzpah to make it legal. The older I get the more I see how this country is run on money above everything else.

pstuart 8y ago
Crazier still is that kratom is getting lined up to be scheduled as well, when it is a proven safe tool for weaning people off of opiates.
- refurb 8y ago
  It will be interesting to see if they finally make kratom schedule 1. When they tried it last time, the public outcry was enough to stop it. And I agree it would be awful if they did. Kratom is certainly not without addiction risk, but if you believe in harm reduction, it’s far better to have people taking it versus prescription opioids or heroin.
  - pstuart 8y ago
    Apparently the current FDA head has financial interests in doing the wrong thing: https://www.reddit.com/r/kratom/comments/7et2l8/fda_loyalty_to_big_pharma_exposed/ https://www.reddit.com/r/kratom/comments/7et2l8/fda_loyalty_... disclaimer: yes, it's a reddit post but it seems to capture the essence of the situation and I'm too lazy for other citations at the moment.
- markdown 8y ago
  Kratom is great as medicine to wean people off opiates. However, it absolutely shouldn't be used in a recreational setting as it currently is, served in kratom bars (though they like to use the name "Kava" in an attempt to fly under the radar). See /r/quittingkratom
  - crshstsh 8y ago
    Why would they sell it as Kava when Kratom is more expensive? I am on day 5 of getting off of Kratom. This smy second time around, and the first was horrendous. A couple of months ago a doctor prescribed Gabapentin and I've literally experience only 5% of the side effects of withdrawal. All the intense symptoms disappeared and I glided through this week. I wonder why doctors prescribe Suboxone and Methadone, both highly addictive.
    - markdown 8y ago
      Kava actually costs more than kratom. But I never said people sell kava as kratom. Selling Kratom in bars is against the law. Instead they set up “kava” bars in which they sell kratom and kava.
  - pstuart 8y ago
    Any arguments like this that don't also call for banning alcohol and tobacco are specious at best. Society has "agreed" that while those substances are dangerous, it is up to the individual to determine how they are consumed. So this then becomes an argument of "I don't like your vice and I'm going to decide whether or not you can partake".
    - DanBC 8y ago
      > Society has "agreed" that while those substances are dangerous, it is up to the individual to determine how they are consumed. Unless you're under a certan age, or driving a car, or piloting a plane the next day, or etc etc. And there is strong societal pressure against pregnant women drinking any alcohol at all despite there being no evidence that small amounts of alcohol are harmful during pregnancy.
      - pstuart 8y ago
        Ok. I'm over 21, not pregnant and not operating a vehicle under the influence. What's your point?

pstuart 8y ago

Crazier still is that kratom is getting lined up to be scheduled as well, when it is a proven safe tool for weaning people off of opiates.

refurb 8y ago
It will be interesting to see if they finally make kratom schedule 1. When they tried it last time, the public outcry was enough to stop it. And I agree it would be awful if they did. Kratom is certainly not without addiction risk, but if you believe in harm reduction, it’s far better to have people taking it versus prescription opioids or heroin.
- pstuart 8y ago
  Apparently the current FDA head has financial interests in doing the wrong thing: https://www.reddit.com/r/kratom/comments/7et2l8/fda_loyalty_to_big_pharma_exposed/ https://www.reddit.com/r/kratom/comments/7et2l8/fda_loyalty_... disclaimer: yes, it's a reddit post but it seems to capture the essence of the situation and I'm too lazy for other citations at the moment.
markdown 8y ago
Kratom is great as medicine to wean people off opiates. However, it absolutely shouldn't be used in a recreational setting as it currently is, served in kratom bars (though they like to use the name "Kava" in an attempt to fly under the radar). See /r/quittingkratom
- crshstsh 8y ago
  Why would they sell it as Kava when Kratom is more expensive? I am on day 5 of getting off of Kratom. This smy second time around, and the first was horrendous. A couple of months ago a doctor prescribed Gabapentin and I've literally experience only 5% of the side effects of withdrawal. All the intense symptoms disappeared and I glided through this week. I wonder why doctors prescribe Suboxone and Methadone, both highly addictive.
  - markdown 8y ago
    Kava actually costs more than kratom. But I never said people sell kava as kratom. Selling Kratom in bars is against the law. Instead they set up “kava” bars in which they sell kratom and kava.
- pstuart 8y ago
  Any arguments like this that don't also call for banning alcohol and tobacco are specious at best. Society has "agreed" that while those substances are dangerous, it is up to the individual to determine how they are consumed. So this then becomes an argument of "I don't like your vice and I'm going to decide whether or not you can partake".
  - DanBC 8y ago
    > Society has "agreed" that while those substances are dangerous, it is up to the individual to determine how they are consumed. Unless you're under a certan age, or driving a car, or piloting a plane the next day, or etc etc. And there is strong societal pressure against pregnant women drinking any alcohol at all despite there being no evidence that small amounts of alcohol are harmful during pregnancy.
    - pstuart 8y ago
      Ok. I'm over 21, not pregnant and not operating a vehicle under the influence. What's your point?