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I am not from the US and have no plans to ever go there. Germany has the righ to the use of the personal image. "Recht am eigenen Bild". There are limits, as wh

by cf498 8y ago

I am not from the US and have no plans to ever go there. Germany has the righ to the use of the personal image. "Recht am eigenen Bild". There are limits, as when you are just a person in a crowd or a person of public interests, but focused shots without your consent are generally a no go. It is part of the right for "Informational self-determination"

jMyles 8y ago
What you are describing as a "right" is actually nothing more than an abridgment of the right to conduct simple journalism. You have no right to direct what I remember and your government has carefully spun this to ensure that you can't remember what you want to without being subject to absurd legal frameworks. Fortunately, at least for the moment, this law is not enforced, as evinced by the people taking photos of people all over the place in Berlin without asking for "consent."
- cf498 8y ago
  It is a basic human right. Sadly one you do not enjoy. And I am sorry it is that way. I didnt think I had to have this kind of discussion here. What would I say to a person that thought freedom of religion was nothing but a legal framework? I am making a moral argument here. Developing facial recognition software is a step towards a dystopia
  - jMyles 8y ago
    I come to Germany all the time. The reality on the ground is no different: people enjoy a right to use cameras (and otherwise conduct journalism). I didn't even realize you had this absolutely stupid law on the books, but for your sake, I'm glad its unenforced.
    - cf498 8y ago
      Tbh I am shoked that this is that big of a cultural difference, but i guess god to know? The right to ones private information is one of the core principles of the German Hacker community. Do you by any chance have some material on the moral position of the US hacker community on privacy? It seemed I assumed far to many similarities.
      - ghaff 8y ago
        I suspect that the position of most in the "US hacker community," whatever that means, is that public information is public. Individuals may have issues with the government or large corporations harvesting data in a systematic way but I'm pretty sure most would be reluctant to restrict, for example, individuals taking photos in public places. In general, the US tilts more toward the rights of individuals to say/write/publish as they please than Europe probably does. If anything, the "US hacker community" is probably more suspicious of the government restricting such rights than the population as a whole is.
      - jMyles 8y ago
        No, it is not a cultural difference. People in Germany do not largely believe that they own every particle that bounces off of them. Your position is ridiculous and not widely held.
        cf498 8y ago
        Thats a hypothesis you can easily test the next time you are in Germany. Shove random people in the street a camera in the face and scream "PHOTONS WANT TO BE FREE".
        jMyles 8y ago
        People in both places will react negatively to having their personal space invaded. People in both places will react positively to freedom of journalism and expression. Although there are many cultural differences between our homes, this is not one of them.

by cf498 8y ago

jMyles 8y ago

What you are describing as a "right" is actually nothing more than an abridgment of the right to conduct simple journalism. You have no right to direct what I remember and your government has carefully spun this to ensure that you can't remember what you want to without being subject to absurd legal frameworks. Fortunately, at least for the moment, this law is not enforced, as evinced by the people taking photos of people all over the place in Berlin without asking for "consent."

cf498 8y ago
It is a basic human right. Sadly one you do not enjoy. And I am sorry it is that way. I didnt think I had to have this kind of discussion here. What would I say to a person that thought freedom of religion was nothing but a legal framework? I am making a moral argument here. Developing facial recognition software is a step towards a dystopia
- jMyles 8y ago
  I come to Germany all the time. The reality on the ground is no different: people enjoy a right to use cameras (and otherwise conduct journalism). I didn't even realize you had this absolutely stupid law on the books, but for your sake, I'm glad its unenforced.
  - cf498 8y ago
    Tbh I am shoked that this is that big of a cultural difference, but i guess god to know? The right to ones private information is one of the core principles of the German Hacker community. Do you by any chance have some material on the moral position of the US hacker community on privacy? It seemed I assumed far to many similarities.
    - ghaff 8y ago
      I suspect that the position of most in the "US hacker community," whatever that means, is that public information is public. Individuals may have issues with the government or large corporations harvesting data in a systematic way but I'm pretty sure most would be reluctant to restrict, for example, individuals taking photos in public places. In general, the US tilts more toward the rights of individuals to say/write/publish as they please than Europe probably does. If anything, the "US hacker community" is probably more suspicious of the government restricting such rights than the population as a whole is.
    - jMyles 8y ago
      No, it is not a cultural difference. People in Germany do not largely believe that they own every particle that bounces off of them. Your position is ridiculous and not widely held.
      - cf498 8y ago
        Thats a hypothesis you can easily test the next time you are in Germany. Shove random people in the street a camera in the face and scream "PHOTONS WANT TO BE FREE".
        jMyles 8y ago
        People in both places will react negatively to having their personal space invaded. People in both places will react positively to freedom of journalism and expression. Although there are many cultural differences between our homes, this is not one of them.