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Is Hackernews being brigaded with anti-Facebook content or is it finaly Facebooks time to die? This is the 5th anti-FB post I've seen today. I would be interes

Is Hackernews being brigaded with anti-Facebook content or is it finaly Facebooks time to die? This is the 5th anti-FB post I've seen today. I would be interested if theirs any information on a big tech company rolling out a FB replacer or if Mark did something to really anger someone. From what I can tell most posts seems to be around Britain releasing information. Not trying to start a conspiracy just trying to understand why all the posts today.

p49k 8y ago
If you read each story I think it’s pretty clear that they’re valid and notable on their own merits.
- iscrewyou 8y ago
  Really this. All these stories stand on their own. Together they form a narrative. Facebook is terrible because they say they are doing one thing, but they are doing something else, but really they are doing even more than something else while releasing PR pieces and thinking the public will just absorb them and absolve Facebook of their wrong-doing.
kodablah 8y ago
> Is Hackernews being brigaded with anti-Facebook content or is it finaly Facebooks time to die? IMO, neither. The media in general does have a large amount of anti-FB fervor that is substanceless (this article isn't one though the exact same link was posted already [0]). However, regardless of frequency on HN, the crowd here is too niche to affect FB's sustainability. 0 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18608658 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18608658
- TwoNineA 8y ago
  > large amount of anti-FB fervor that is substanceless [citation needed] Cambridge Analytica? Soros? This clusterfuck? What was substanceless?
  - kodablah 8y ago
    All the anti-FB opinion articles on and off big-media domains. There are a large amount. You can just browse https://www.nytimes.com/search?query=facebook https://www.nytimes.com/search?query=facebook if you'd like. Many lack substance.
    - TwoNineA 8y ago
      You made the claim, not me. You claimed that a large amount of articles are substanceless and you produced no proof.
    - InitialLastName 8y ago
      If you dig through that list to the articles that are actual journalism (as opposed to explicitly labeled opinion and commentary articles), the last 3 are: - "Facebook Used People’s Data to Favor Certain Partners and Punish Rivals, Documents Show" [0] - "A Hot Seat for Facebook, an Empty Chair for Zuckerberg and a Vow to Share Secret Files" [1] - "On Thanksgiving Eve, Facebook Acknowledges Details of Times Investigation" [2] All three strike me as substantive. Yes, the NYT opinion section is a bit fluffy, and yes, that strikes me as a problem in a world where folks are increasingly unable to distinguish between journalism and editorial, but at the end of the day commentary like that is what the "opinion" label is for. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/05/technology/facebook-documents-uk-parliament.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/05/technology/facebook-docum... [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/technology/facebook-british-hearing-mark-zuckerberg-no-show.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/technology/facebook-briti... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/22/business/on-thanksgiving-eve-facebook-acknowledges-details-of-times-investigation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/22/business/on-thanksgiving-...
      - kodablah 8y ago
        Sure, if you add filters and dig you get substance. The initial contention was about the large amount of substanceless anti-FB content in the media in general, not specific types of content. That you have to dig is the issue, not what you get once you have done so.
wybiral 8y ago
There has been a solid anti-FB wave for the past year or so. The Cambridge Analytica situation didn't help. And especially with GDPR fresh in mind the media has been continuing to rail them for various privacy issues (as well as the usual social media addiction topics, political interference, etc, then add on any shady-looking business moves like this...)
arduinomancer 8y ago
No I saw this on Reddit earlier but didn't see anything about it here. Thought I'd post it just to see some HN discussion because I find its usually higher quality than Reddit. Don't have any opinion on it, just wanted to read other people's takes.
kevmo 8y ago
A friend of mine just quit his job there. He says it's absolutely terrible to work there, and he thinks 2018 will be remember as the year Facebook began to die and that they would be screwed without Instagram. I don't know that I quite agree, but it felt confirmatory of all these articles.
- Balgair 8y ago
  https://www.google.com/search?q=fb+price&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab https://www.google.com/search?q=fb+price&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&c... If you look at the stock charts alone, your friend is probably correct. The date, specifically, seems to be Thursday July 26th.
  - mcintyre1994 8y ago
    Do you know what news caused that drop?
    - hnuser1234 8y ago
      Looks like an earnings report, https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/25/technology/facebook-q2-earnings/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/25/technology/facebook-q2-earn...
marricks 8y ago
It sounds more like Facebook has gotten away with a ton of crap and it’s reckoning day. A better question might be how did they get away with... I don’t know any of it really, for so long?
- kart23 8y ago
  Yeah, but honestly, among its core userbase, nobody cares. It's great for finding out about groups and events in one place, and instagram is the biggest social media platform in the world.
jseliger 8y ago
Is Hackernews being brigaded with anti-Facebook content or is it finaly Facebooks time to die? This is the 5th anti-FB post I've seen today. Facebook is in the middle of a media scapegoat frenzy: https://jakeseliger.com/2018/11/14/is-there-an-actual-facebook-crisis-or-media-narrative-about-facebook-crisis https://jakeseliger.com/2018/11/14/is-there-an-actual-facebo.... So we're going to keep seeing anti-Facebook articles for a while; it's more attractive to blame Facebook than it is to examine the media's role in the 2016 election or to look carefully at underlying forces, a la The Revolt of The Public and the Crisis of Authority in the New Millennium by Gurri.
- taurath 8y ago
  I feel like what we’re seeing is less of a focus based around the 2016 election and more just general societal scrutiny of what they are actually doing. These are powerful tools for bad actors in general - It’s not Facebook vs society, it’s social media/ad-driven personal information vacuuming vs society. It just so happens that Facebook is by far and away the most used.
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- ritchiea 8y ago
  Facebook also is an enemy of publishers because of the way it’s platform dominates how people use he internet. Journalists have no love for FB because they are taking clicks and ad money away from publishers.
downandout 8y ago
There are likely some positive articles about Facebook posted to HN daily too, but they don’t make it to the front page. There is a great deal of anti-Facebook sentiment here. An anti-Facebook article is much more likely to reach the front page than a positive one in this community, and that’s why it seems like HN is overrun with negative FB articles. Positive articles exist - they just won’t get upvotes here.
tdb7893 8y ago
Not that they don't deserve it but articles critical of the major tech companies are a large portion of the content here so a few anti-Facebook stuff in a row isn't really at all surprising.
samstave 8y ago
What if it is not "anti" FB - but more like an influx of posting from a more realist perspective on what FB IS. This is an OPPORTUNITY for HN readers in general to take a critical look at what this particular incarnation in Internet future-history is. We should be documenting every detail and aspect of what is happening in tech, SV, FB, Goog, appl, etc all around us - as - how will we reflect on everything come 5, 10, 20 years from now. . . . ###################################################### # # ASK HN: is anyone working on the forensic cyber-#archeologist path? Who? # ###################################################### . . . We can't just assume "media" is doing it... HOLY CRAP - what was his name who fell from grace - the Micheal-something/AOL/Gawker?/WTF-was-his-name - who was ousted as a jerk and now we can't even recall his name... frak. AH... the internet helped me: ARRINGTON: https://gawker.com/5732314/aols-new-problem-mike-arrington https://gawker.com/5732314/aols-new-problem-mike-arrington yeah -- we need to keep tabs. FB will not be around forever (maybe?) but their footprint shall -- so we need to learn how to divine the right path.
InclinedPlane 8y ago
Lol. Is hackernews such a bubble these days? I come here and see so many bizarre takes on Facebook's malfeasance it makes me wonder if HN is being brigaded with pro-Facebook trolls? Or is HN just full of people who have the same bizarre and twisted view of the world as Facebook's execs? Has nobody here ever taken training in business ethics? Facebook's "shenanigans" could be slapped in as examples of what not to do for those ethics classes, much of it is on its face blatantly illegal.
tuxt 8y ago
On HN, everyone uses firefox.

p49k 8y ago

If you read each story I think it’s pretty clear that they’re valid and notable on their own merits.

iscrewyou 8y ago
Really this. All these stories stand on their own. Together they form a narrative. Facebook is terrible because they say they are doing one thing, but they are doing something else, but really they are doing even more than something else while releasing PR pieces and thinking the public will just absorb them and absolve Facebook of their wrong-doing.

kodablah 8y ago

> Is Hackernews being brigaded with anti-Facebook content or is it finaly Facebooks time to die? IMO, neither. The media in general does have a large amount of anti-FB fervor that is substanceless (this article isn't one though the exact same link was posted already [0]). However, regardless of frequency on HN, the crowd here is too niche to affect FB's sustainability. 0 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18608658 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18608658

TwoNineA 8y ago
> large amount of anti-FB fervor that is substanceless [citation needed] Cambridge Analytica? Soros? This clusterfuck? What was substanceless?
- kodablah 8y ago
  All the anti-FB opinion articles on and off big-media domains. There are a large amount. You can just browse https://www.nytimes.com/search?query=facebook https://www.nytimes.com/search?query=facebook if you'd like. Many lack substance.
  - TwoNineA 8y ago
    You made the claim, not me. You claimed that a large amount of articles are substanceless and you produced no proof.
  - InitialLastName 8y ago
    If you dig through that list to the articles that are actual journalism (as opposed to explicitly labeled opinion and commentary articles), the last 3 are: - "Facebook Used People’s Data to Favor Certain Partners and Punish Rivals, Documents Show" [0] - "A Hot Seat for Facebook, an Empty Chair for Zuckerberg and a Vow to Share Secret Files" [1] - "On Thanksgiving Eve, Facebook Acknowledges Details of Times Investigation" [2] All three strike me as substantive. Yes, the NYT opinion section is a bit fluffy, and yes, that strikes me as a problem in a world where folks are increasingly unable to distinguish between journalism and editorial, but at the end of the day commentary like that is what the "opinion" label is for. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/05/technology/facebook-documents-uk-parliament.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/05/technology/facebook-docum... [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/technology/facebook-british-hearing-mark-zuckerberg-no-show.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/technology/facebook-briti... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/22/business/on-thanksgiving-eve-facebook-acknowledges-details-of-times-investigation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/22/business/on-thanksgiving-...
    - kodablah 8y ago
      Sure, if you add filters and dig you get substance. The initial contention was about the large amount of substanceless anti-FB content in the media in general, not specific types of content. That you have to dig is the issue, not what you get once you have done so.

wybiral 8y ago

There has been a solid anti-FB wave for the past year or so. The Cambridge Analytica situation didn't help. And especially with GDPR fresh in mind the media has been continuing to rail them for various privacy issues (as well as the usual social media addiction topics, political interference, etc, then add on any shady-looking business moves like this...)

arduinomancer 8y ago

No I saw this on Reddit earlier but didn't see anything about it here. Thought I'd post it just to see some HN discussion because I find its usually higher quality than Reddit. Don't have any opinion on it, just wanted to read other people's takes.

kevmo 8y ago

A friend of mine just quit his job there. He says it's absolutely terrible to work there, and he thinks 2018 will be remember as the year Facebook began to die and that they would be screwed without Instagram. I don't know that I quite agree, but it felt confirmatory of all these articles.

Balgair 8y ago
https://www.google.com/search?q=fb+price&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab https://www.google.com/search?q=fb+price&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&c... If you look at the stock charts alone, your friend is probably correct. The date, specifically, seems to be Thursday July 26th.
- mcintyre1994 8y ago
  Do you know what news caused that drop?
  - hnuser1234 8y ago
    Looks like an earnings report, https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/25/technology/facebook-q2-earnings/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/25/technology/facebook-q2-earn...

marricks 8y ago

It sounds more like Facebook has gotten away with a ton of crap and it’s reckoning day. A better question might be how did they get away with... I don’t know any of it really, for so long?

kart23 8y ago
Yeah, but honestly, among its core userbase, nobody cares. It's great for finding out about groups and events in one place, and instagram is the biggest social media platform in the world.

jseliger 8y ago

Is Hackernews being brigaded with anti-Facebook content or is it finaly Facebooks time to die? This is the 5th anti-FB post I've seen today. Facebook is in the middle of a media scapegoat frenzy: https://jakeseliger.com/2018/11/14/is-there-an-actual-facebook-crisis-or-media-narrative-about-facebook-crisis https://jakeseliger.com/2018/11/14/is-there-an-actual-facebo.... So we're going to keep seeing anti-Facebook articles for a while; it's more attractive to blame Facebook than it is to examine the media's role in the 2016 election or to look carefully at underlying forces, a la The Revolt of The Public and the Crisis of Authority in the New Millennium by Gurri.

taurath 8y ago
I feel like what we’re seeing is less of a focus based around the 2016 election and more just general societal scrutiny of what they are actually doing. These are powerful tools for bad actors in general - It’s not Facebook vs society, it’s social media/ad-driven personal information vacuuming vs society. It just so happens that Facebook is by far and away the most used.
- deleted 8y ago
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ritchiea 8y ago
Facebook also is an enemy of publishers because of the way it’s platform dominates how people use he internet. Journalists have no love for FB because they are taking clicks and ad money away from publishers.

downandout 8y ago

There are likely some positive articles about Facebook posted to HN daily too, but they don’t make it to the front page. There is a great deal of anti-Facebook sentiment here. An anti-Facebook article is much more likely to reach the front page than a positive one in this community, and that’s why it seems like HN is overrun with negative FB articles. Positive articles exist - they just won’t get upvotes here.

tdb7893 8y ago

Not that they don't deserve it but articles critical of the major tech companies are a large portion of the content here so a few anti-Facebook stuff in a row isn't really at all surprising.

samstave 8y ago

What if it is not "anti" FB - but more like an influx of posting from a more realist perspective on what FB IS. This is an OPPORTUNITY for HN readers in general to take a critical look at what this particular incarnation in Internet future-history is. We should be documenting every detail and aspect of what is happening in tech, SV, FB, Goog, appl, etc all around us - as - how will we reflect on everything come 5, 10, 20 years from now. . . . ###################################################### # # ASK HN: is anyone working on the forensic cyber-#archeologist path? Who? # ###################################################### . . . We can't just assume "media" is doing it... HOLY CRAP - what was his name who fell from grace - the Micheal-something/AOL/Gawker?/WTF-was-his-name - who was ousted as a jerk and now we can't even recall his name... frak. AH... the internet helped me: ARRINGTON: https://gawker.com/5732314/aols-new-problem-mike-arrington https://gawker.com/5732314/aols-new-problem-mike-arrington yeah -- we need to keep tabs. FB will not be around forever (maybe?) but their footprint shall -- so we need to learn how to divine the right path.

InclinedPlane 8y ago

Lol. Is hackernews such a bubble these days? I come here and see so many bizarre takes on Facebook's malfeasance it makes me wonder if HN is being brigaded with pro-Facebook trolls? Or is HN just full of people who have the same bizarre and twisted view of the world as Facebook's execs? Has nobody here ever taken training in business ethics? Facebook's "shenanigans" could be slapped in as examples of what not to do for those ethics classes, much of it is on its face blatantly illegal.

tuxt 8y ago

On HN, everyone uses firefox.