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I don't think it's that kind of child pornography. It's more the self produced, coming of age, scantily clad variety that is non-trivial to moderate. The most

I don't think it's that kind of child pornography. It's more the self produced, coming of age, scantily clad variety that is non-trivial to moderate. The most offensive to modern sensibilities (and advertisers) isn't the naked people, but the gore, self harm, and extreme fetish communities.

verroq 8y ago
Can you imagine the irreparable harm caused to society by teenagers taking half naked selfies?
- GauntletWizard 8y ago
  It's not the selfies that are the problem. It's the poor boundaries that they create and the leveraged shame that is really harmful. It's very hard to put a hard barrier or rule about what kind of nipples are okay to show, as the EFF is implying. On the other hand, there's just as much harm from the no-shame communities - look up pro-ana for an example, and the realize that groups like this exist for many forms of self harm, including cutting, drug abuse, and (and this one is personal to me) rape. https://youtu.be/Y7lYeRqhQ9Q https://youtu.be/Y7lYeRqhQ9Q is a good example of how young people can be drawn into these sorts of toxic relationships. And he worst part is: most of the warning signs aren't a problem in and of themselves. It is only in patterns and degrees that you realize that there's something deeply wrong, and the behavior has crossed a line. The lines aren't bright and clear - but, to some extent, the people who wander even near and don't immediately turn away are the ones you know are willing to cross it.
- drdeadringer 8y ago
  I don't have to imagine, I can read a news article from several years ago about how a teenager did just this from//to//in an Arab country and it made global headlines because exactly that.
  - flyingfences 8y ago
    So is the issue the teen or the Arab country?
Bartweiss 8y ago
This still prompts a question, though: does this not happen on all social media? Ok, Facebook presumably dodges the problem with privacy settings. But it's no harder to post an underage selfie on Reddit or Twitter than on Tumblr, and those sites have much larger userbases. Their apps haven't been hit by Apple, nor have they ever talked about resorting to outright adult-content bans to control it. So what's the difference? Are there any major theories other than "tumblr's site moderation tools sucked" and "tumblr's moderation team was way too small"?

verroq 8y ago

Can you imagine the irreparable harm caused to society by teenagers taking half naked selfies?

GauntletWizard 8y ago
It's not the selfies that are the problem. It's the poor boundaries that they create and the leveraged shame that is really harmful. It's very hard to put a hard barrier or rule about what kind of nipples are okay to show, as the EFF is implying. On the other hand, there's just as much harm from the no-shame communities - look up pro-ana for an example, and the realize that groups like this exist for many forms of self harm, including cutting, drug abuse, and (and this one is personal to me) rape. https://youtu.be/Y7lYeRqhQ9Q https://youtu.be/Y7lYeRqhQ9Q is a good example of how young people can be drawn into these sorts of toxic relationships. And he worst part is: most of the warning signs aren't a problem in and of themselves. It is only in patterns and degrees that you realize that there's something deeply wrong, and the behavior has crossed a line. The lines aren't bright and clear - but, to some extent, the people who wander even near and don't immediately turn away are the ones you know are willing to cross it.
drdeadringer 8y ago
I don't have to imagine, I can read a news article from several years ago about how a teenager did just this from//to//in an Arab country and it made global headlines because exactly that.
- flyingfences 8y ago
  So is the issue the teen or the Arab country?

Bartweiss 8y ago

This still prompts a question, though: does this not happen on all social media? Ok, Facebook presumably dodges the problem with privacy settings. But it's no harder to post an underage selfie on Reddit or Twitter than on Tumblr, and those sites have much larger userbases. Their apps haven't been hit by Apple, nor have they ever talked about resorting to outright adult-content bans to control it. So what's the difference? Are there any major theories other than "tumblr's site moderation tools sucked" and "tumblr's moderation team was way too small"?