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Alice really compares more to large turboprops rather than small jets like the HondaJet. When comparing to the used turboprops on the market the Alice isn’t rea
by bronco21016 8y ago
Alice really compares more to large turboprops rather than small jets like the HondaJet. When comparing to the used turboprops on the market the Alice isn’t really that competitive. A used Cessna Conquest with more range could be had for around $1-1.5 million depending on condition. Of course operating expenses are significantly more so someone still needs to figure out the math there.
If you’re buying a fleet of new aircraft I suppose it’s competitive but for similar price a Pilatus PC-12 gets you significantly more utility. Land just about anywhere and easily find fuel.
Another factor is these MSRP estimates are really hard to pin down before the aircraft is fully developed. In the early 2000s there was a flood of companies claiming $1 million jets. Eclipse Jet being the most notable. Most of those programs either didn’t survive or ended up charging more like $5-10 million. Getting an aircraft certified isn’t cheap and it’s really hard to get economies of scale on something so expensive.
I don’t want to completely discount the program but I keep going back to the charging when I try to flesh this idea out. The only possible way I see this succeeding is if the company also facilitates building a charging network. When I was in high school I worked at a small Midwest airport and the idea that the city, who owned the airport, would build charging infrastructure for a niche aircraft is laughable. They almost shutdown their Jet A fueling infrastructure (that they charged money for) because they claimed it was too expensive to maintain.
Overall point is that it’s doable but there are hurdles and a half baked idea and marketing fluff is going to result in yet another failed aviation venture.
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- irq-1 8y ago> I keep going back to the charging when I try to flesh this idea out. Could they burn jet fuel in an electric generator? Maybe not economically, but the infrastructure is there.
- bluGill 8y agoJet fuel is basically diesel fuel without lubrication. Diesel engines will run on it. If you don't mind replacing your injectors more often than you change the oil you could go so far as say they run just fine. I understand there are diesel aircraft engines that run on it - presumably this means that the injectors are different from all the engines I'm familiar with. You could install this engine connected to a generator and get a hybrid, though I don't know if it is a good idea. One the plus side you can put the engine where you want it for weight distribution reasons, because it is a hybrid you can always run at optimal rpm, diesel fuel has a better energy/mass ratio, and when/if it fails you have plenty battery backup so your wouldn't need as much maintenance as most aircraft engines get. On the negative side, you are paying to haul this engine around even on short flights.
- Latteland 8y agoThey don't have electricity at the airport? The Tesla superchargers use regular commercial hv lines, nothing special. The additional expense for an airport that will be a new transformer. This is why Tesla is able to put chargers in so many locations, cause it doesn't cost 3 million dollars each time they do it. Dig a whole, run the power, add a transformer, pain, fill in the hole. They built one in a week nearby.