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Genuine question: Is it just me or the whole 'fake-news' concept seems like an excuse for ~old~ traditional (failing?) media to continue to act as gatekeepers o

by zabana 8y ago

Genuine question: Is it just me or the whole 'fake-news' concept seems like an excuse for ~old~ traditional (failing?) media to continue to act as gatekeepers of information ? I've seen an increasing number of alternative / independent journalists and websites being given the label of "fake-news site" recently and I'm a bit worried to see that trend continue.

dao- 8y ago
I'm sure it's not just you but you could still be wrong. :> What you consider alternative / independent journalists could be charlatans by journalistic standards. It's hard to say in the abstract.
- asianthrowaway 8y ago
  Yeah, establishment journalists consistently provide accurate information, like the time they discovered that huge stockpile of WMDs in Irak.
  - dao- 8y ago
    When journalists fail to adhere to journalistic standards they should be criticized for that. What's your point?
    - zabana 8y ago
      I guess the fact that we have to separate independent journalists from the ones working for privately owned outlets is problematic in itself.
      - dao- 8y ago
        Right, what I'm saying is that we should uphold objective standards rather than just saying independent journalists are generally more/less trustworthy than established ones.
        zabana 8y ago
        Yes this is very true. There are honest journalists and frauds on both sides. (wink wink Alex Jones)
  - IfOnlyYouKnew 8y ago
    Any examples that aren’t old enough to have finished high school by now? And were not a major public scandal, that cost the people involved their jobs?
pjc50 8y ago
There are different types of things being conflated as "fake news": - fiction not labelled as such: items invented from whole cloth with no regard for evidence. Conspiracy garbage. "B52 FOUND ON MOON". - correctly reporting an official statement that turns out to be false, without checking the underlying facts ("WMD in Iraq": the newspapers accurately reported what the officials said!). Various other sorts of bad, sycophantic or "yellow" journalism. - hostile propaganda, malicious lies, racial slander, and the like: protocols of zion/blood libel/etc material. Similar slander of Muslims. QAnon and Pizzagate. Previously the mainstream media refused to touch this stuff, but now it's being spread to a large audience via social media. Various sorts of government psyops, including but not limited to Russia. The problem is that people correctly see the "old fake news" (2), but then replace it with even less accurate news (3).

by zabana 8y ago

dao- 8y ago

I'm sure it's not just you but you could still be wrong. :> What you consider alternative / independent journalists could be charlatans by journalistic standards. It's hard to say in the abstract.

asianthrowaway 8y ago
Yeah, establishment journalists consistently provide accurate information, like the time they discovered that huge stockpile of WMDs in Irak.
- dao- 8y ago
  When journalists fail to adhere to journalistic standards they should be criticized for that. What's your point?
  - zabana 8y ago
    I guess the fact that we have to separate independent journalists from the ones working for privately owned outlets is problematic in itself.
    - dao- 8y ago
      Right, what I'm saying is that we should uphold objective standards rather than just saying independent journalists are generally more/less trustworthy than established ones.
      - zabana 8y ago
        Yes this is very true. There are honest journalists and frauds on both sides. (wink wink Alex Jones)
- IfOnlyYouKnew 8y ago
  Any examples that aren’t old enough to have finished high school by now? And were not a major public scandal, that cost the people involved their jobs?

pjc50 8y ago

There are different types of things being conflated as "fake news": - fiction not labelled as such: items invented from whole cloth with no regard for evidence. Conspiracy garbage. "B52 FOUND ON MOON". - correctly reporting an official statement that turns out to be false, without checking the underlying facts ("WMD in Iraq": the newspapers accurately reported what the officials said!). Various other sorts of bad, sycophantic or "yellow" journalism. - hostile propaganda, malicious lies, racial slander, and the like: protocols of zion/blood libel/etc material. Similar slander of Muslims. QAnon and Pizzagate. Previously the mainstream media refused to touch this stuff, but now it's being spread to a large audience via social media. Various sorts of government psyops, including but not limited to Russia. The problem is that people correctly see the "old fake news" (2), but then replace it with even less accurate news (3).