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It's slower normally, even if we ever arrive at a substantial zero response time and 100% correct computer understatement it remain slower than act by hand with

by xte 8y ago

It's slower normally, even if we ever arrive at a substantial zero response time and 100% correct computer understatement it remain slower than act by hand with a powerful editor.

melling 8y ago
I didn’t say it was always faster. You’re assuming that you’re always hunched over the computer with your hands on the keyboard. Often I’m in a relaxed position looking at the screen. We all agree that we spend more time reading code in writing? So, do you really want to be sitting at the computer with your hands on the keyboard at all times? You’re also assuming that you have a physical keyboard. In the 21st century billions of people use tablets and phones. Finally, I didn’t say you had to give up the keyboard. I said I would like to have the other option. You can still use AceJump.
- xte 8y ago
  Well, for me a computer (desktop) is only marginally an entertainment device so I normally sit, with my "comfort" chair (Varier Balans) and my keyboard ready to operate... I have a smartphone, so I casually use touch input but mostly as a personal navigation device, a on-the-go mail reading device (I do not normally write mails on the go), a mobile phone for actually call or answer call GSM or VoIP and an org-mode limited display (Orgzly) for "to buy" grocery lists. Essentially no more. People who try to use such devices for more, like banking etc I simply call them poor, unfortunate and ignorant slaves. I do not find such devices as an innovation but as an involution and a failure, an involution because of their absurd limit, a failure because we are still unable to have a "computer on the go" when needed... It's not a matter of being "geek" but a matter of control our personal datas and environments and being able to produce contents, not only consume it. With mobile crap we can consume easily but we can't produce essentially nothing and we can't control our data. So they are absurd devices. BTW yes, I can still use my physical keyboard, unfortunately they are more and more bad, the sole acceptable remaining are super-expensive and still bad... I would love having again my beloved SUN type6 or ancient ones with many keys I can use with single key binding on Emacs. I would love to have programmable keyboard that are not immense amount of crap that demand super-buggy software only to register custom keys or macros and even with them they can't really be customized.
  - oblio 8y ago
    > It's not a matter of being "geek" but a matter of control our personal datas and environments and being able to produce contents, not only consume it. With mobile crap we can consume easily but we can't produce essentially nothing and we can't control our data. So they are absurd devices. Have you thought about it this way: maybe you're the one that can't create on these new devices? Just like my parents can't create things on a desktop, because they haven't mastered keyboard and mouse usage and desktop UI conventions. Kids can create quite impressive things on mobile devices. Maybe not things you'd like or prefer, but mobile devices can definitely be used for creating things. For some things they're even better than desktops, because of the more intuitive touch based interface. Yes, mobile devices are more limited from certain points of view, but as photographers say: "the best camera is the one you have with you". Availability trumps flexibility and power for most people. And regarding the consumption/creation dichotomy: it's not entirely false, but it's not very important either. Most people in most moments of their lives are not creators. I make things but I'm also passive at least 50% of my time. On top of that, many people don't even have a desire to be "creators". Maybe they want to help other people as doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc., and digital content creation doesn't interest them.
    - xte 8y ago
      Well, on a mobile device I can take photos or videos, but they are not my creation: even if I construct a scene I only create the scene, not the video/shoot. The phone have done it, outside my real controls. More important recorded bit are not mine, nor under my control. They are tied to the device or to someone else computer. You may state that even on my computer I act only through software, but there is a difference: first of all is software I can write, read and deploy myself (try to develop on Android for Android and deploy the code), so I can know and program my own environment on itself. Second it's something I can examine with simple tools, no need for jtag, soldering, or potentially destructive operation to see my bits, I can even open my raw disc with an editor. Of course not all people want to create stuff but for me having designed devices that are more powerful than many ancient computer and that they can do far, far, far less, only adding things that we can already do with dedicated devices it a failure for me. We talk about recycling to reduce the damage we do to our environment and we design expensive devices that can barely last few years (two/three max in mean), that are super-hard to repair and normally repaired device is not "as new" like my own desktop is "as new" when I change mobo or disk. We talk about being flexible in a changing world and we create devices that are substantially not upgradable nor modifiable by the user and often even by the OEM. We say that it's forbidden that a landlord enter in it's rented apartment and then we allow systems that after being formally bought are normally configured and modified/monitored by tons of different subjects. I can go far longer...

by xte 8y ago

It's slower normally, even if we ever arrive at a substantial zero response time and 100% correct computer understatement it remain slower than act by hand with a powerful editor.

melling 8y ago

I didn’t say it was always faster. You’re assuming that you’re always hunched over the computer with your hands on the keyboard. Often I’m in a relaxed position looking at the screen. We all agree that we spend more time reading code in writing? So, do you really want to be sitting at the computer with your hands on the keyboard at all times? You’re also assuming that you have a physical keyboard. In the 21st century billions of people use tablets and phones. Finally, I didn’t say you had to give up the keyboard. I said I would like to have the other option. You can still use AceJump.

xte 8y ago
Well, for me a computer (desktop) is only marginally an entertainment device so I normally sit, with my "comfort" chair (Varier Balans) and my keyboard ready to operate... I have a smartphone, so I casually use touch input but mostly as a personal navigation device, a on-the-go mail reading device (I do not normally write mails on the go), a mobile phone for actually call or answer call GSM or VoIP and an org-mode limited display (Orgzly) for "to buy" grocery lists. Essentially no more. People who try to use such devices for more, like banking etc I simply call them poor, unfortunate and ignorant slaves. I do not find such devices as an innovation but as an involution and a failure, an involution because of their absurd limit, a failure because we are still unable to have a "computer on the go" when needed... It's not a matter of being "geek" but a matter of control our personal datas and environments and being able to produce contents, not only consume it. With mobile crap we can consume easily but we can't produce essentially nothing and we can't control our data. So they are absurd devices. BTW yes, I can still use my physical keyboard, unfortunately they are more and more bad, the sole acceptable remaining are super-expensive and still bad... I would love having again my beloved SUN type6 or ancient ones with many keys I can use with single key binding on Emacs. I would love to have programmable keyboard that are not immense amount of crap that demand super-buggy software only to register custom keys or macros and even with them they can't really be customized.
- oblio 8y ago
  > It's not a matter of being "geek" but a matter of control our personal datas and environments and being able to produce contents, not only consume it. With mobile crap we can consume easily but we can't produce essentially nothing and we can't control our data. So they are absurd devices. Have you thought about it this way: maybe you're the one that can't create on these new devices? Just like my parents can't create things on a desktop, because they haven't mastered keyboard and mouse usage and desktop UI conventions. Kids can create quite impressive things on mobile devices. Maybe not things you'd like or prefer, but mobile devices can definitely be used for creating things. For some things they're even better than desktops, because of the more intuitive touch based interface. Yes, mobile devices are more limited from certain points of view, but as photographers say: "the best camera is the one you have with you". Availability trumps flexibility and power for most people. And regarding the consumption/creation dichotomy: it's not entirely false, but it's not very important either. Most people in most moments of their lives are not creators. I make things but I'm also passive at least 50% of my time. On top of that, many people don't even have a desire to be "creators". Maybe they want to help other people as doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc., and digital content creation doesn't interest them.
  - xte 8y ago
    Well, on a mobile device I can take photos or videos, but they are not my creation: even if I construct a scene I only create the scene, not the video/shoot. The phone have done it, outside my real controls. More important recorded bit are not mine, nor under my control. They are tied to the device or to someone else computer. You may state that even on my computer I act only through software, but there is a difference: first of all is software I can write, read and deploy myself (try to develop on Android for Android and deploy the code), so I can know and program my own environment on itself. Second it's something I can examine with simple tools, no need for jtag, soldering, or potentially destructive operation to see my bits, I can even open my raw disc with an editor. Of course not all people want to create stuff but for me having designed devices that are more powerful than many ancient computer and that they can do far, far, far less, only adding things that we can already do with dedicated devices it a failure for me. We talk about recycling to reduce the damage we do to our environment and we design expensive devices that can barely last few years (two/three max in mean), that are super-hard to repair and normally repaired device is not "as new" like my own desktop is "as new" when I change mobo or disk. We talk about being flexible in a changing world and we create devices that are substantially not upgradable nor modifiable by the user and often even by the OEM. We say that it's forbidden that a landlord enter in it's rented apartment and then we allow systems that after being formally bought are normally configured and modified/monitored by tons of different subjects. I can go far longer...