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Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia. 1984 had it right
by decentralised 8y ago
Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia. 1984 had it right
- paraditedc 8y agoI didn't know 1984 had it first, interesting. Maybe it is finally the time for me to read it.
- dsfyu404ed 8y agoYesterday is the best time to have read 1984.
- isostatic 8y agoIf you ever plan on entering politics don't read it. Today's politicians seem to think it's a manual, not a warning.
- jmnicolas 8y agoWhat makes you think it's a warning and not a manual ?
- freedomben 8y agoWhy not both? I think for most of the working class, it's a dystopian novel with a warning. For most of our politicians and the ruling class (and oddly, many of the big tech companies), it's a utopian novel filled with great ideas.
- isostatic 8y agoOrwell certainly meant it as a cautionary tale.
- paraditedc 8y agoVery interesting perspective. Actually I've read The Prince and I got carried away by the ideas in the book. Maybe I shouldn't read 1984 after all? Anyway, I'm just interested in politics, but not planning to enter politics.
- freedomben 8y agoI agree, but better late than never.
- acct1771 8y agoGrab Brave New World while you're at it. They should sell them glued to each other, combined they perfectly describe our current tech and media situation.
- m-watson 8y agoI agree with this, both are great books to read and interesting perspectives. I am sure most people have seen this but those who haven't you should check out (https://io9.gizmodo.com/5890861/read-aldous-huxleys-review-of-1984-he-sent-to-george-orwell https://io9.gizmodo.com/5890861/read-aldous-huxleys-review-o...). Orwell sent a copy of 1984 to Huxley and the response to the book is an interesting read.
- joejerryronnie 8y agoAdd in Animal Farm for the trifecta.
- gideonparanoid 8y agoI agree, two completely different types of suppression, each quite scary.
- arminiusreturns 8y agoThe phrase I use is: "It's a brave new world, until you resist, then it's 1984."
- excalibur 8y agoPretty much this. Huxley for the young and horny, Orwell for the old and opinionated.
- ahartmetz 8y agoAgreed about the contents, but an important difference ist that 1984 is incredibly well written and gripping while Brave New World is a dull read - IMO.
- freedomben 8y agoDefinitely recommend it. It's one of my favorite books, and it's not an exaggeration to say it had a radical effect on my politics. I avoided it somehow in high school, as I did most books, and ended up reading it in my early 20s. Now over the past 10 to 15 years I've seen it starting to come true in scary ways, albeit not exactly as was predicted (which is to be expected of course). It's also just a good book! It builds to a tremendous climax, and the ending is just as good and unexpected as any good story today. Highly recommended. If you like audiobooks, the one narrated by Frank Muller is great. Audible has it for $10 but it's of course hobbled with their DRM. There is a copy of the Frank Muller reading floating around on torrents, but a better solution is to just buy DRM free. There is a DRM free version narrated by Simon Prebble that I haven't listened to, but it has great reviews (all audiobooks from Downpour are DRM free btw): https://www.downpour.com/1984?sp=12482 https://www.downpour.com/1984?sp=12482 P.S. If you care about your freedom, when possible buy DRM free from places like Downpour. Paired with an app like Listen Audiobooks, I find the UX to be even better than Audible (it's a great app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.acmeandroid.listen&hl=en_US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.acmeandroi...)
- pjc50 8y agoIn the novel of course this was the public view exposed to a society subject to total information control. "We have always been at war with eastasia".
- freeflight 8y agoLike the current surface web isn't completely and utterly controlled. You don't need "big firewalls" and government-sponsored censorship to control information. There are softer ways [0] to press for a narrative that's advantageous to you and ways that are way less visible [1]. Note the claim how supposedly none of the "interventions" happen in the English language, just like the NSA supposedly never spied on US citizens. That statement was rooted in the Smith-Mund Act, which has since then been reformed [2] and it's been an extremely noticeable shift in the English language online discourses. Just like language itself is a filter, anybody who only speaks English is dependent on trusting what English sources translate and tell them. While other-language sources often paint a very different, usually way less polarized, picture. [0] https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-09-29/the-cleaners-documentary-social-media-moderation-the-philippines/10300098 https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-09-29/the-cleaners-... [1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-op... [2] https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-...
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