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It's interesting to see China aligning EU with on issues like this in the context of US-China war of words. Somewhat related, I remember watching Japanese anim
by paraditedc 8y ago
It's interesting to see China aligning EU with on issues like this in the context of US-China war of words.
Somewhat related, I remember watching Japanese animes where the the world is divided to imaginary nations that resembles US (big Western super power), China (big Eastern super power) and EU (group of countries combined to form a substantial power).
In these animes, nations form alliances but turn against each other the moment their interests are no longer aligned.
I am starting to see how this is also true in real world.
- zavi 8y agoI wonder if EU is also going to align with China w.r.t. the Social Credit Score. Want to to business with us? Just make sure every European uses WeChat so we can read everything they say online.
- Vinnl 8y agoNo need, we'll get pretty close by ourselves. Want to contact customer support? Sure, but only through Twitter - and obviously, we'll prioritise those with most followers, as they'll be most able to damage our brand.
- Waterluvian 8y agoThe animes got those themes from the real world. Pretty cool to see how the learning pattern can go full circle!
- mpweiher 8y ago> EU aligning with China Hmm...isn't this the other way around, China aligning with "European funders"? (EU is coordinating, individual organisations within countries are actually doing).
- paraditedc 8y agoYeah in this case it is like what you described. Updated.
- decentralised 8y agoOceania, Eurasia and Eastasia. 1984 had it right
- paraditedc 8y agoI didn't know 1984 had it first, interesting. Maybe it is finally the time for me to read it.
- dsfyu404ed 8y agoYesterday is the best time to have read 1984.
- isostatic 8y agoIf you ever plan on entering politics don't read it. Today's politicians seem to think it's a manual, not a warning.
- jmnicolas 8y agoWhat makes you think it's a warning and not a manual ?
- freedomben 8y agoWhy not both? I think for most of the working class, it's a dystopian novel with a warning. For most of our politicians and the ruling class (and oddly, many of the big tech companies), it's a utopian novel filled with great ideas.
- isostatic 8y agoOrwell certainly meant it as a cautionary tale.
- paraditedc 8y agoVery interesting perspective. Actually I've read The Prince and I got carried away by the ideas in the book. Maybe I shouldn't read 1984 after all? Anyway, I'm just interested in politics, but not planning to enter politics.
- _Nat_ 8y agoIs there any evidence that this is connected to other political issues? I mean, the open-access movement is widely hailed as an important progressive step in improving the academic world, regardless of nationality. Hopefully it's just a matter of time before the US's own agencies join in similar demands, assuming that there isn't already such a plan.
- vatueil 8y agoAgreed. Many countries already require publicly funded research be made available for open access. A list of US government agencies that require such access after an embargo period is presented here: https://scholcomm.columbia.edu/open-access/public-access-mandates-for-federally-funded-research/ https://scholcomm.columbia.edu/open-access/public-access-man...
- paraditedc 8y ago> Is there any evidence that this is connected to other political issues? No, there isn't in this specific instance. However, reading news for the past year did give me a overall feeling that ties between China and EU are getting closer while ties between China and US, as well as EU and US are getting more strained.
- joejerryronnie 8y agoIt’s interesting because, on the surface, it appears that China is exerting more control over its population while the EU seems to be giving back control to its population. But reading between the lines, the EU is actually moving toward more political control over its member countries, just like China but in a more progressively palatable format.
- natechols 8y agoThe NIH's decision to require open access a year after publication was actually a huge step forward, and that must have been a decade ago now. Pretty much everyone who isn't a publisher would prefer it be immediate, but there's a limit to what the funding agencies can do without congressional approval (or interference).
- jancsika 8y agoI can imagine an anime plot where China/EU go back on their plan. But if they truly end up instituting this plan I'm not seeing any plausible plot line. Are there really anime stories where a Barbara Streisand character roars at telepathic sourcerers who just stay silent and motionless for the rest of the episode?
- SubiculumCode 8y agoWhy wouldn't China support it for other countries? THey'd benefit from the knowledge but would not pay for it. Meanwhile, I can imagine that they'd follow a more restrictive policy that would limit the viewing of Chinese research publications to Chines scientists. Edit: The latter statement is speculative, relative, and probably topic-dependent.
- Vinnl 8y agoThe idea behind this is that they don't just voice support for this from other countries, but adopt it themselves as well, i.e. researchers funded by these funders would be required to submit their work to fully Open Access journals as well.
- cat199 8y ago> on issues like this in the context of US-China war of words. well, it does reduce the chinese cost of acquiring foreign IP, and so the decision seems pretty internally consistent
- lamarpye 8y agoChina is always in favor of making it easier to steal IP. I hope I live long enough to see them complaining that other nations don't respect their inventions.
- smarttack 8y agoPretty similar to 1984 where Orwell split the world up into Eurasia, East Asia and Oceania
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