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But yes, of course I know Shiite military are active in the middle east. I mean, it is their region, right? I can sense militarism in your terminology. Shiite m
by Down_n_Out 8y ago
But yes, of course I know Shiite military are active in the middle east. I mean, it is their region, right? I can sense militarism in your terminology. Shiite militia, sunni militia? How about state-sponsored violence in the name of oil? You would not call that ‘militia’ would you? Since you copy pasted some news articles as evidence, here is some articles that argue otherwise for you: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-irrationality-of-americas-iran-hysteria_us_592d8d4ee4b0df57cbfd82ed https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-irrationality-of-am...,
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/08/tehran-attack-isis-iran-west-shia-ally https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/08/tehran...
https://www.mepc.org/nuclear-terrorism-iranian-perspective https://www.mepc.org/nuclear-terrorism-iranian-perspective
But none of these articles would be enough for you either. I will dismiss arguments that talk about Iran one-sidedly, not the evidence. You can also see more scholarly articles that talk about the complexity of the military and political affairs in the middle east. Not from an over-militarized point of view, but also from a justice, social and anthropological perspective:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10357710600696118?journalCode=caji20 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1035771060069611...
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.2968/065001004?src=recsys https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.2968/065001004?src=r...
the point is, you throw Iran and nuclear and militia around like they are not connected to a people, and the best of you just reduce the situation to a state vs. people point of view. Iranians have the right, just like any other people, to defense and safety. The evidence to Iran being a terrorist state does not exist and what you sent me is a list of politically motivated accusations. The evidence for Iran meddling in the region, yes. I think there is plenty of that, and yes, that’s bad, as long as we don’t compare it to other countries around the world that do a million times worse but are left alone because they are western allies. I don’t think I have to convince anyone about the chaos Western intervention has created in the region. Iran is evil because it does not comply to bullying. O I hope you can also find the time for nuancing your view.
- torstenvl 8y agoWell, since you accuse me of "throw[ing] nuclear . . . around" when I said no such thing, I hope you'll forgive me if I'm not convinced that it is I who should improve the nuance of my position. Particularly since none of the links you've posted support your position. Enjoy the rest of your day.
- saiya-jin 8y agotorstenvl: U.S. Marine officer That tells all that is needed to know about your defensive and apologist position, as expressed in numerous posts. That's all right, if you work in murdering business for money, I guess you have to convince yourself you are the good guy. Its just that rest of the world doesn't buy it for quite some time
- dang 8y agoPersonal attacks are not allowed on HN, regardless of how strongly you disagree with someone. If you post anything like this again we will ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- Down_n_Out 8y agoYou are right, you did not throw that around, you is used in plural as well. While you personally didn't throw it around it's just a statement I make to the general public, like I said, it's not all about you and/or I, it's about people, the Iranian people, not trying to generalize or single out. I'm not attacking anyone or arguing with you in person, just trying to show that I too find evidence and not base my views on personal feelings alone. Enjoy the rest of your day as well.