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I don't get your argument. I get the original post's argument of not willing to be tracked by Google, but what hurts you so much in training Google's AI?

ForHackernews 8y ago
You're doing work for them for free. It's unpaid Mechanical Turking.
- tehlike 8y ago
  Devils advocate: you are getting access to a service that uses google's assistance for spam or abuse protection, not entirely unpaid.
  - thomersch_ 8y ago
    No, the company that integrates it makes me pay (by doing work for google)
    - tehlike 8y ago
      Either way, you train ai and watch ads in exchange for content.
    - xypher 8y ago
      Again, worthy trade off, not much of a work to solve one recaptcha, and the service that you use remains available more reliably by filtering out spam bots that could potentially render it out of service otherwise.
Flavius 8y ago
Well, mainly because Google is a 1 Trillion $ company and why should you help them in exchange for nothing? It's not like they're open sourcing all their data for others to use. They use and control whatever they can in their own interest.
- darawk 8y ago
  You aren't the customer. The website is. They're providing a valuable service to the website. The website is providing a valuable service to you. You get to choose whether or not doing one unit of Google AI training work is worth using the services of the website. Generally speaking, I find that trade to be quite fair.
  - majewsky 8y ago
    > You get to choose whether or not doing N units of Google AI training work where N measures how much Google hates you is worth using the services of the website. FTFY
- sharcerer 8y ago
  Well they do release tons of datasets,and their open source contributions have a lot of importance as well sinxe the past 10-15 years. Sure other companies do OS stuff too,i know. Even, the massive improvements in computational photography in the Pixel phones are explained by them in great detailed blog posts. They even built a special search engine especially for Datasets.
abc-xyz 8y ago
The AI you help train will be used to assist authoritarian governments (e.g. Dragonfly) imprison and murder millions of people so that Google can make a few extra bucks.
- icebraining 8y ago
  How do you see the car and traffic sign recognition AI being used to imprison and murder people?
  - abc-xyz 8y ago
    Because the AI they're perfecting can and will be used for other purposes as well?
    - icebraining 8y ago
      How do you see that data improving the AI for other purposes?
      - abc-xyz 8y ago
        I think it's safe to assume that the code used to recognize cars and traffic signs can also be used to recognize other things, such as muslims, people using apps the government can't spy on, people wearing/holding objects that the government want to eradicate (perhaps a banned book). I think it's also safe to assume Google benefit immensely from having millions of people ready to test their changes in order to optimize their code and algorithms. I'm also sure that they do more than just check if you picked the "right" squares, such as storing every square you've ever chosen along with other stats such as completion time and correctness. I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese government (as well as others) had interest in using such data to detect "rebels". I would also be surprised if the work wouldn't be beneficial to other AI related work that can be used to build detailed profiles among other things.
cm2187 8y ago
Time and effort wasted. Work imposed on me by a hostile company with which I have no direct dealing and that financially doesn’t need this.
xypher 8y ago
Agreed, AI is technological advancement, and Google makes most of its datasets available to everyone and goes great lengths to explain the technology it creates for those who are willing to read it. I don't understand what's the issue with semi-passively contributing to a potential technological advancemet.
- expertentipp 8y ago
  This is irrelevant in case when I want to access a service of a third-party whom I'm paying to provide the service, or even worse - a service of public authorities. > what's the issue with semi-passively contributing to a potential technological advancemet. You're wastly overestimating your contribution to the technological advancement though this channel.

ForHackernews 8y ago

You're doing work for them for free. It's unpaid Mechanical Turking.

tehlike 8y ago
Devils advocate: you are getting access to a service that uses google's assistance for spam or abuse protection, not entirely unpaid.
- thomersch_ 8y ago
  No, the company that integrates it makes me pay (by doing work for google)
  - tehlike 8y ago
    Either way, you train ai and watch ads in exchange for content.
  - xypher 8y ago
    Again, worthy trade off, not much of a work to solve one recaptcha, and the service that you use remains available more reliably by filtering out spam bots that could potentially render it out of service otherwise.

Flavius 8y ago

Well, mainly because Google is a 1 Trillion $ company and why should you help them in exchange for nothing? It's not like they're open sourcing all their data for others to use. They use and control whatever they can in their own interest.

darawk 8y ago
You aren't the customer. The website is. They're providing a valuable service to the website. The website is providing a valuable service to you. You get to choose whether or not doing one unit of Google AI training work is worth using the services of the website. Generally speaking, I find that trade to be quite fair.
- majewsky 8y ago
  > You get to choose whether or not doing N units of Google AI training work where N measures how much Google hates you is worth using the services of the website. FTFY
sharcerer 8y ago
Well they do release tons of datasets,and their open source contributions have a lot of importance as well sinxe the past 10-15 years. Sure other companies do OS stuff too,i know. Even, the massive improvements in computational photography in the Pixel phones are explained by them in great detailed blog posts. They even built a special search engine especially for Datasets.

abc-xyz 8y ago

The AI you help train will be used to assist authoritarian governments (e.g. Dragonfly) imprison and murder millions of people so that Google can make a few extra bucks.

icebraining 8y ago
How do you see the car and traffic sign recognition AI being used to imprison and murder people?
- abc-xyz 8y ago
  Because the AI they're perfecting can and will be used for other purposes as well?
  - icebraining 8y ago
    How do you see that data improving the AI for other purposes?
    - abc-xyz 8y ago
      I think it's safe to assume that the code used to recognize cars and traffic signs can also be used to recognize other things, such as muslims, people using apps the government can't spy on, people wearing/holding objects that the government want to eradicate (perhaps a banned book). I think it's also safe to assume Google benefit immensely from having millions of people ready to test their changes in order to optimize their code and algorithms. I'm also sure that they do more than just check if you picked the "right" squares, such as storing every square you've ever chosen along with other stats such as completion time and correctness. I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese government (as well as others) had interest in using such data to detect "rebels". I would also be surprised if the work wouldn't be beneficial to other AI related work that can be used to build detailed profiles among other things.

cm2187 8y ago

Time and effort wasted. Work imposed on me by a hostile company with which I have no direct dealing and that financially doesn’t need this.

xypher 8y ago

Agreed, AI is technological advancement, and Google makes most of its datasets available to everyone and goes great lengths to explain the technology it creates for those who are willing to read it. I don't understand what's the issue with semi-passively contributing to a potential technological advancemet.

expertentipp 8y ago
This is irrelevant in case when I want to access a service of a third-party whom I'm paying to provide the service, or even worse - a service of public authorities. > what's the issue with semi-passively contributing to a potential technological advancemet. You're wastly overestimating your contribution to the technological advancement though this channel.