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Keep in mind that US sanctions against foreign companies doing business with Iran are opposed by:
The United Nations International Court of Justice, which ordered the US to withdraw sanctions, to which the US responded by pulling out of international agreements.
The European Union, which has attempted to block its companies from complying with US sanctions.
With that said, the US is free to sanction anyone for its own interests, that's its right as a sovereign state. It is also its right as a sovereign state to refuse market access and trade to any company that violates its sanctions.
But arresting foreign nationals in other countries for violating US sanctions? That's the equivalent of Russia arresting American business executives and extraditing them to China for violating Chinese sanctions against Taiwan - and yes, there are sanctions against Taiwan, which are regularly ignored by the US, of course. This is a massive escalation and will undoubtedly cause a major international crisis. Stay tuned.
- dillondoyle 8y agoPlus the arrested party is the daughter of the founder; I can't separate that fact when trying to infer intention here. I definitely feel anxious..
- chvid 8y agoI think this is an extremely dangeruous move on the side of the Trump administration. This is supposed to be about Iran? Arresting the daugther of Huawei's founder definately makes it seem like there is more going on. How is any significant American business man flying through Hong Kong airport supposed to feel right now?
- chvid 8y agoAnd I am pretty sure that the mullahs in Tehran are laughing in their beards over the US picking fights with China (and maybe the EU) over the Iran boycots. At least when this is the way it is done.
- ignoramous 8y agoWell, the world is laughing, including the clergy men in Dharmashala.
- creaghpatr 8y agoPretty sure the mullahs have bigger fish to fry regarding the future of their country
- nappy 8y ago>>>Meng, one of the vice chairs on the company’s board and the daughter of company founder Ren Zhengfei, was arrested on Dec. 1 at the request of U.S. authorities and a court hearing has been set for Friday, a Canadian Justice Department spokesman said. Trump and Xi had dined in Argentina on Dec. 1 at the G20 summit. She works for the company in question.
- shanghaiaway 8y agoThat's obvious to everyone but you. It's literally the headline.
- yhellothere 8y agoDoubtful about massive and major. The US and China have a complicated relationship over Taiwan a la sovereignty -- replace Taiwan with, say, Japan and you have a better but still imperfect analogy.
- farseer 8y agoThey arrested the founder's daughter! I think it would be a good idea for American execs in China to take a long vacation home until this cools down. No one wants to become collateral damage between a great power rivalry.
- nappy 8y agoMeng Wanzhou is a the CFO of Huawei[0] [0] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-huawei/huawei-founders-daughter-arrested-on-u-s-request-puts-trade-war-truce-in-doubt-idUSKBN1O42S1 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-huawei/huawei-f...
- rangibaby 8y agoShe’s both
- tooltalk 8y agoUghg, what the previous poster is insinuating is that she wasn't arrested because she's the daughter of Huawei CEO, but because of her role as CFO of the company violating US sanction.
- projectramo 8y agoI would be very curious to know if there were other high level executives (C-suite) who were not arrested when they entered a country (not just Canada) with whom the US has an extradition treaty. That would resolve the question of whether she was arrested solely because of her role as CFO, or if it was also an attempt to send a personal message. I assume that is what is being discussed.
- TuringNYC 8y agoNot to make light of the subject, but reminds me of the movie "Sicario: Day of the Soldado" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicario:_Day_of_the_Soldado https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicario:_Day_of_the_Soldado) where an agent provocateur recommends to the US Government: "You want to start a war? the fastest way is to kidnap a prince"
- odiroot 8y ago> Keep in mind that US sanctions against foreign companies doing business with Iran are opposed by: They may be but US is on the right side of history on this one. And I say this as an European.
- chopin 8y agoFor breaking agreements they've made before? I think Europe is on the right side on this. As a European I wish the US would take all the refugees their actions cause.
- gdfasfklshg4 8y agoWhy do you think this?
- austincheney 8y agoWhy are you cowardly hiding behind a throwaway account? Why do you care? Everybody is entitled to their own personal opinion and you are free to disagree with it.
- gdfasfklshg4 8y agoI've used this account for several months now. It's not exactly single use. You are entitled to your opinion. I am entitled to ask you for the arguments behind your opinion. You are of course entitled to respond angrily. However, it doesn't make for great discussion and you won't persuade many people with this approach.
- toyg 8y agoAs another European: That’s like, your opinion, man.
- popee 8y agoLike totally
- netsharc 8y ago
- azernik 8y ago> But arresting foreign nationals in other countries for violating US sanctions? In this case, the other country in question is Canada, which has made its own sovereign decision to also sanction Iran. Extradition treaties, including the US-Canada one, require that the conduct involved be a crime in both jurisdictions. If the Canadian courts decide that what she did is not a crime under Canadian law, she will get off. Simple as that.
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- zavi 8y agoWorth mentioning that Canada has its own history of concerns with Huawei due to the Nortel debacle: https://www.afr.com/technology/web/security/how-chinese-hacking-felled-telecommunication-giant-nortel-20140526-iux6a https://www.afr.com/technology/web/security/how-chinese-hack...
- DyslexicAtheist 8y agoit is all the FVEY countries that have issues with Huawei. UK, Australia & NZ have played a big role in disseminating US anti-China propaganda. I say this as somebody who has been criticizing Huawei for years. There is no denying their products are not only of poor quality (competing on price), that they bribed their way through Africa, and that the founders have strong ties to the military and party. Yet it would be hypocritical to not call this anything but a political move.
- dis-sys 8y ago> There is no denying their products are not only of poor quality (competing on price) Huawei Mate 20 Pro starts from 1049 Euro and Mate 20 start from 800 Euro, last time when I checked, 1049 Euro is almost $1200 USD, common sense tells that when an Android phone has a price tag of $1200 USD, it is anything but competing on price. I have Mate 20/Mate 9/P8, the top ranking build quality has been repeatedly confirmed by numerous reviews world wide. I never ever had any issue with my Huawei Mate 20/10/P8. Labelling Huawei products as poor quality without proof is not helping on anything.
- chibg10 8y ago>But arresting foreign nationals in other countries for violating US sanctions? That's the equivalent of Russia arresting American business executives and extraditing them to China for violating Chinese sanctions against Taiwan - and yes, there are sanctions against Taiwan, which are regularly ignored by the US, of course. No, it isn't. They're only equivalent if the American executive's company in question is selling, say, Huawei networking equipment (assuming it is banned; I don't know if it's the case) to businesses in Taiwan -- probably under an arrangement where the intention to sell to Taiwan was never made clear and likely actively concealed. That's circumvention of export controls and likely fraud at the expense of the sanctioning country -- an entirely different beast than merely passive business between the sanctioned and a separate third-party. >will undoubtedly cause a major international crisis. It will, but it has less to do with any escalation by the US than it does with China's own, well, unique political environment. If a similar case occurred to CFO of e.g. Yandex, I have a hard time seeing Russians/Russia reacting nearly as strongly as I expect Chinese/China to.
- fogetti 8y agoYou basically repeated what the OP said and making it look like it meant the opposite. Which it does not.
- Itaxpica 8y agoNo, that comment is pointing out that OP left out the key fact that Huawei was selling American products to Iran. That changes the situation from the OP’s claim of “Huawei was doing business with a country the US is sanctioning” to “Huawei was actively working to subvert US export restrictions”.
- nappy 8y agoThe author of this comment has a history of apologizing for Chinese crimes: >>LOL, kill thousands of its own citizens in protests? The Chinese government never did that (even the famous tank man was unharmed and was not arrested), the truth is, many soldiers got killed because they were not allowed to fire at citizens. Even the Chinese government did kill its own citizen they learnt from the US (1932 Bonus Army, 1970 Kent state massacre, Jesus that was only 48 years ago, not mentioning almost every day someone is being shot by the police somewhere in the US. The funny thing is one shot won't even make it to the newspaper now.) >>In a word, you have been brainwashed by your media. I know it's hard to wake up someone who pretends to be asleep, but it's good for you.
- AsyncAwait 8y agoDo you have a substantive point relevant to what the parent said here?
- whack 8y agoI don't support the Iran sanctions either. But a key detail is buried in the middle of the article. > Since at least 2016, U.S. authorities have been reviewing Huawei’s alleged shipping of U.S.-origin products to Iran Huawei is free to export all their Chinese origin products to Iran. The allegation here is that us-origin products are not following us export laws. This seems more like a case of "when in Rome, follow Roman laws".
- apexalpha 8y agoKeep in mind that a lot of network equipment for 4G network (eg.) requires US patents, Qualcomm chips. So even if you build 99% of the equipment yourself if you use a single transistor that requires a US patent of is manufactured in the US the US will upkeep it's sanctions.
- bagacrap 8y agoI didn't know patents crossed international borders.
- jmalicki 8y agoChina is a member of the World Intellectual Property Organization, which exists to ensure that patents cross international borders. https://www.wipo.int/members/en/contact.jsp?country_id=38 https://www.wipo.int/members/en/contact.jsp?country_id=38
- azernik 8y agoThis case is much more straightforward - it involves a company she chaired, which used Huawei slides and so was probably a Huawei front, offering to be a straw purchaser for HP hardware (buy it and immediately resell it to Iran).
- onetimemanytime 8y ago>>But arresting foreign nationals in other countries for violating US sanctions?* You steal a car in Belgium. Belgium investigates, charges you and issues an arrest warrant. In some cases it goes to Interpol or EU-wide systems. You go to Germany for a vacation and your name is flagged. Yes, you are arrested by Germany for violating Belgian laws and the extradition process starts. You can challenge the arrest on a few basis (such as "Iran wants to jail me for criticizing Mullahs") but other than that, countries do help each other catch criminals. "Violating US sanctions" is apparently a crime in USA and Canada more or less has the same view on major international relations so he is likely screwed. (I think the arrest is almost automatic everywhere, but then courts and justice dept decide on whether to extradite.)
- perennate 8y agoI find your comment very misleading. There is no indication that this arrest is related to U.S. policies to sanction foreign companies for selling to Iran. Rather, the arrest is far more likely related to "US law [that] prohibits exports of certain US-origin technologies to certain countries" (from nytimes article). Huawei purchased certain technology from the US with the promise not to sell it to certain countries like Iran, and then proceeded to shamelessly violate the agreement. Without laws like this, sanctions are far less powerful, because any foreign company not affected by the sanction can act as a middleman between the origin country and the sanctioned country. What the UN International Court of Justice and European Union think about US sanctioning foreign companies that do business with Iran is completely irrelevant, since this arrest is not related to that policy.