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lt very well can be, both: * Silence is consent. * If you know what is good for you, you will be quiet. Are political.

lawnchair_larry 8y ago
Silence is consent.* Wait, what? Are you sure you want to assert that? Because that's going to make things really complicated for the #MeToo movement.
- davidgould 8y ago
  "Silence is consent" has a long established meaning: if you do not object to something you can be construed to approve it. I'm not asserting it, I'm asserting that the lack of activism at Facebook is still a political statement because it can be construed as consent. Pretending not to understand common idiom in service of misogyny does not address this argument.
  - lawnchair_larry 8y ago
    "Silence is consent" has a long established meaning: if you do not object to something you can be construed to approve it. I understand what you're saying just fine. I don't think you're picking up on the issue I'm drawing attention to (and I'm choosing to ignore the misogyny comment - come on, you're better than that). Think about how this statement sounds when we apply it to what is perhaps the biggest issue today that is related to discussions regarding consent. You can't default to two opposite positions here, and I'm pretty sure after only a moment's thought you'll agree that we're better off sticking to the rule that silence is very much not consent.
    - davidgould 8y ago
      I don't see why you are taking this line. The topic was not sexual abuse, my comments are not about sexual abuse, obviously the statement about consent has a very different interpretation in that context. But we were talking about working at Facebook and not speaking up. Why are you mixing these topics?
malvosenior 8y ago
You're stating that it's literally impossible to not be political. I don't agree. You can very well keep politics out of the work place. A ban against any political statements accomplishes that.
- lawnchair_larry 8y ago
  Congratulations, you seem to be experiencing http://www.paulgraham.com/say.html http://www.paulgraham.com/say.html. I'm not sure why, though.
- davidgould 8y ago
  Suppose you work in a factory that you learn primarily makes nerve gas. Continuing to work there is a political statement.
  - malvosenior 8y ago
    Unless you can't get another job and need that job to support your family. One of the many reasons politics shouldn't be injected into the workplace is because many employees have no option but to have that job and now you're subjecting them to political battles they have no choice but to endure. In the case we're talking about, the politics don't even have anything to do with the host company, they're a foreign agent in what would be an otherwise apolitical environment.

Silence is consent.* Wait, what? Are you sure you want to assert that? Because that's going to make things really complicated for the #MeToo movement.

davidgould 8y ago
"Silence is consent" has a long established meaning: if you do not object to something you can be construed to approve it. I'm not asserting it, I'm asserting that the lack of activism at Facebook is still a political statement because it can be construed as consent. Pretending not to understand common idiom in service of misogyny does not address this argument.
- lawnchair_larry 8y ago
  "Silence is consent" has a long established meaning: if you do not object to something you can be construed to approve it. I understand what you're saying just fine. I don't think you're picking up on the issue I'm drawing attention to (and I'm choosing to ignore the misogyny comment - come on, you're better than that). Think about how this statement sounds when we apply it to what is perhaps the biggest issue today that is related to discussions regarding consent. You can't default to two opposite positions here, and I'm pretty sure after only a moment's thought you'll agree that we're better off sticking to the rule that silence is very much not consent.
  - davidgould 8y ago
    I don't see why you are taking this line. The topic was not sexual abuse, my comments are not about sexual abuse, obviously the statement about consent has a very different interpretation in that context. But we were talking about working at Facebook and not speaking up. Why are you mixing these topics?

malvosenior 8y ago

You're stating that it's literally impossible to not be political. I don't agree. You can very well keep politics out of the work place. A ban against any political statements accomplishes that.

lawnchair_larry 8y ago
Congratulations, you seem to be experiencing http://www.paulgraham.com/say.html http://www.paulgraham.com/say.html. I'm not sure why, though.
davidgould 8y ago
Suppose you work in a factory that you learn primarily makes nerve gas. Continuing to work there is a political statement.
- malvosenior 8y ago
  Unless you can't get another job and need that job to support your family. One of the many reasons politics shouldn't be injected into the workplace is because many employees have no option but to have that job and now you're subjecting them to political battles they have no choice but to endure. In the case we're talking about, the politics don't even have anything to do with the host company, they're a foreign agent in what would be an otherwise apolitical environment.