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Quick question: What if America's education problem is that the children don't have parents who can nurture them? Because we have stagnant or decreasing real
by VikingCoder 8y ago
Quick question:
What if America's education problem is that the children don't have parents who can nurture them?
Because we have stagnant or decreasing real wages? Because the cost of daycare, housing, health, and advanced education have all gone up? Because we're making it harder to declare bankruptcy? Because we're criminalizing activities, and ripping families apart?
Maybe it shouldn't be a surprise that our education is ranked poorly.
And pointing to education, as though it's a system we can study in isolation, and claim that it's a failure, therefore other state-run systems must also be failures, isn't really being honest?
And maybe it's worthwhile to look at other countries with the economic conditions we're proposing. Like single payer healthcare. Because we can look at them.
You're absolutely right that "just because something is run or controlled by the state does not mean it will magically be either efficient or high quality."
But people like you seem to delight in using that as an argument against government programs that have been shown to be effective, again and again, in country after country.
So then I can say, "just because something is run or controlled by the state does not mean it will be either inefficient or low quality."
And we've both said something completely meaningless, and now can we please get back to looking at examples from other countries, and try to learn from them?
- beginningguava 8y agoUS education is top notch based on international PISA scores if you break it down by race and compare them to europe, latin america, africa, etc https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/pisa2015/pisa2015highlights_3f.asp https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/pisa2015/pisa2015highlights... Singapore almost always takes 1st in international test scores and their long time leader didn't pull punches https://imgur.com/a/a8nCQUO https://imgur.com/a/a8nCQUO and it's not an income thing, the poorest whites and asians score as high as black students from families making 200k+ a year https://i.imgur.com/PD9hz9b.jpg https://i.imgur.com/PD9hz9b.jpg So in a way you're right, US government does run their education system very well, it just seems to be a racial thing which can never be spoken about politically so it's just ignored as the elephant in the room
- VikingCoder 8y agoSince people were treated separately based on their race (slavery, no right to vote, no civil rights, redlining, segregated schools), it's not a surprise you can still measure the impacts of that decades later, based on race. It takes a long time to undo damage like that.
- epicureanideal 8y agoSomething about this seems right to me. I'd be interested to see if there are any studies correlating these issues.
- VikingCoder 8y agoChildren from financially unstable families do worse in school. Hungry children do worse in school. If you want studies, here's discussion of one I just saw the other day: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-12-04/verdict-is-in-food-stamps-put-poor-kids-on-path-to-success https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-12-04/verdic...