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>The problem is this, you're always violating some law. "21 USC §§331, 333, 343 & 21 CFR §133.113(a)(3) make it a federal crime for a cheesemaker to sell chedd

>The problem is this, you're always violating some law. "21 USC §§331, 333, 343 & 21 CFR §133.113(a)(3) make it a federal crime for a cheesemaker to sell cheddar cheese unless the curd was matted into a cohesive mass." https://twitter.com/crimeaday https://twitter.com/crimeaday

Retric 8y ago
Look for laws to be enforced cops need to be aware of them. Specialists exist both on the government side as say food safty inspectors etc, and the private side as compliance officers. So, rules like this are not obscure for people building factory’s to manufacture cheddar and your local cops are not going to know about this crap they are searching your house for something else. This actually works really well, as we want food to be safe to eat even if most people are not aware of how long food can be kept at what temperatures. Likewise what safty systems need to be part of nuclear reactors, or the minimum safty factor for bridges.
- Benjamin_Dobell 8y ago
  It's just a bit odd that highly specific examples like this make it into written law. A pretty clear example of what happens when you have a Government that can be heavily influenced by corporate lobbying. I don't think your average reasonable person is in opposition to requirements to label food correctly and not mislead consumers. These things are already written in law, in the case of food it's governed by the FDA. However, when we start including overly specific laws like this, of which this is but one of many (sheesh, check-out what was in the TPP), then every other company in every other industry wants the same treatment, and we end up with a convoluted mess that we have today. This is a problem because your average citizen can't possibly keep up with all this; but more importantly these overly specific laws are a nightmare when it comes time to introduce new legislation. So much time is wasted on garbage like this. The TPP actually had plenty of reasonable components to it, but it was also filled to the brim with corporate garbage. It's hard enough to form trade agreements and pass legislation without corporations insisting their obscure needs must be met. Particularly when legislation and agreements are either signed and passed as entire unit, or not at all. It just wastes everyone's time when there's a few odd sticking points holding up the whole process.
  - wbl 8y ago
    Why is it odd to have identity standards for food?
    - Benjamin_Dobell 8y ago
      It's not, and I never said that it was; quite the opposite actually. I said that it's odd that these things are written in law seems as we already have laws that cover this more broadly. Attempting to maintain in written law explicit definitions of every food that humans can fathom, and how they are presently produced, is clearly untenable.
      - torstenvl 8y ago
        Seems pretty clearly tenable to me. It is, in fact, being tened. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
        Benjamin_Dobell 8y ago
        Really? You're genuinely arguing that every single edible substance and combination thereof ought to be recorded in written law?
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        torstenvl 8y ago
        No. I didn't argue that. Happy to keep talking if you want to respond to what I actually did say.
        Benjamin_Dobell 8y ago
        My apologies, perhaps you need to elaborate on what you meant when you wrote: > Seems pretty clearly tenable to me. It is, in fact, being tened. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ in response to: > Attempting to maintain in written law explicit definitions of every food that humans can fathom, and how they are presently produced, is clearly untenable.
- taneq 8y ago
  It's not about local cops picking you for some arcane law. It's about anyone in government having the ability to find something to fuck you with at any time they want to.
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torstenvl 8y ago
That's not actually true. The cited regulation permits cheddar cheese produced "by the procedure set forth in paragraph (a)(3) of this section, or by any other procedure which produces a finished cheese having the same physical and chemical properties." 21 C.F.R. § 133.113(a)(1) (emphasis added), available at https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/21/133.113 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/21/133.113.

Retric 8y ago

Look for laws to be enforced cops need to be aware of them. Specialists exist both on the government side as say food safty inspectors etc, and the private side as compliance officers. So, rules like this are not obscure for people building factory’s to manufacture cheddar and your local cops are not going to know about this crap they are searching your house for something else. This actually works really well, as we want food to be safe to eat even if most people are not aware of how long food can be kept at what temperatures. Likewise what safty systems need to be part of nuclear reactors, or the minimum safty factor for bridges.

Benjamin_Dobell 8y ago
It's just a bit odd that highly specific examples like this make it into written law. A pretty clear example of what happens when you have a Government that can be heavily influenced by corporate lobbying. I don't think your average reasonable person is in opposition to requirements to label food correctly and not mislead consumers. These things are already written in law, in the case of food it's governed by the FDA. However, when we start including overly specific laws like this, of which this is but one of many (sheesh, check-out what was in the TPP), then every other company in every other industry wants the same treatment, and we end up with a convoluted mess that we have today. This is a problem because your average citizen can't possibly keep up with all this; but more importantly these overly specific laws are a nightmare when it comes time to introduce new legislation. So much time is wasted on garbage like this. The TPP actually had plenty of reasonable components to it, but it was also filled to the brim with corporate garbage. It's hard enough to form trade agreements and pass legislation without corporations insisting their obscure needs must be met. Particularly when legislation and agreements are either signed and passed as entire unit, or not at all. It just wastes everyone's time when there's a few odd sticking points holding up the whole process.
- wbl 8y ago
  Why is it odd to have identity standards for food?
  - Benjamin_Dobell 8y ago
    It's not, and I never said that it was; quite the opposite actually. I said that it's odd that these things are written in law seems as we already have laws that cover this more broadly. Attempting to maintain in written law explicit definitions of every food that humans can fathom, and how they are presently produced, is clearly untenable.
    - torstenvl 8y ago
      Seems pretty clearly tenable to me. It is, in fact, being tened. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
      - Benjamin_Dobell 8y ago
        Really? You're genuinely arguing that every single edible substance and combination thereof ought to be recorded in written law?
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        torstenvl 8y ago
        No. I didn't argue that. Happy to keep talking if you want to respond to what I actually did say.
        Benjamin_Dobell 8y ago
        My apologies, perhaps you need to elaborate on what you meant when you wrote: > Seems pretty clearly tenable to me. It is, in fact, being tened. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ in response to: > Attempting to maintain in written law explicit definitions of every food that humans can fathom, and how they are presently produced, is clearly untenable.
taneq 8y ago
It's not about local cops picking you for some arcane law. It's about anyone in government having the ability to find something to fuck you with at any time they want to.

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torstenvl 8y ago

That's not actually true. The cited regulation permits cheddar cheese produced "by the procedure set forth in paragraph (a)(3) of this section, or by any other procedure which produces a finished cheese having the same physical and chemical properties." 21 C.F.R. § 133.113(a)(1) (emphasis added), available at https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/21/133.113 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/21/133.113.