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I don't buy your analogy at all. I think a sex obsessed culture is a result of an overly sexualized media. And it's not like I'm saying ban sex. I'm saying ban

by newen 8y ago

I don't buy your analogy at all. I think a sex obsessed culture is a result of an overly sexualized media. And it's not like I'm saying ban sex. I'm saying ban pornography and prostitution, which are abuses of sex.

tonysdg 8y ago
> abuses of sex I think that's where the breakdown is occurring here: this is ultimately a values-based judgment. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that, but I think both sides of this debate would do well to recognize that this will ultimately come down to one's own personal beliefs on the subject matter. Put more explicitly: there are those who will consider pornography and prostitution immoral regardless of the specifics, and there are those who have no issues with it assuming it's regulated (and such regulations are strictly enforced/policed) so that only informed, consenting adults can take part. Convincing either of these individuals of the other's position is likely futile.
xte 8y ago
So what kind of media Vikings have in the past, when nearly nobody even know how to write/read? And even before in Celtic population? Did you know Halloween origin? Did you know that a traditional Celtic fest in which people of a village start to form semi-random couples and live together for an year, if it work they remain together if not another (semi-orgiastic) turn? Or ancient Roman's Baccanals? Or ancient Greeks orgy, often homosexual and/or pedophile?
phailhaus 8y ago
Again, you're making circular arguments in order to claim that pornography and prostitution are bad. You can't reasonably make these claims without also arguing that we should ban alcohol because Prohibition led to illegal smuggling runs and all sorts of crime. Prostitution is illegal, therefore it leads to human trafficking, therefore it should be illegal? How are you going to have rampant human trafficking in a transparent system that requires brothels to have licenses, undergo inspections, and empower their employees to report unfair/unsafe/unsavory business practices? You also need to leave out your personal opinions about sex when it comes to this discussion. I noticed that you previously mentioned that one of the reasons women turn to pornography is because they are "out of options". That's not your decision to make. If an adult makes a personal choice to turn to pornography, it's not your place to go "but that's unsavory to me, let me protect you by making that profession illegal". You're imposing your own negative views of sex on everyone else. If you think participating in pornography is inherently degrading, you don't have to do it!

by newen 8y ago

tonysdg 8y ago

> abuses of sex I think that's where the breakdown is occurring here: this is ultimately a values-based judgment. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that, but I think both sides of this debate would do well to recognize that this will ultimately come down to one's own personal beliefs on the subject matter. Put more explicitly: there are those who will consider pornography and prostitution immoral regardless of the specifics, and there are those who have no issues with it assuming it's regulated (and such regulations are strictly enforced/policed) so that only informed, consenting adults can take part. Convincing either of these individuals of the other's position is likely futile.

xte 8y ago

So what kind of media Vikings have in the past, when nearly nobody even know how to write/read? And even before in Celtic population? Did you know Halloween origin? Did you know that a traditional Celtic fest in which people of a village start to form semi-random couples and live together for an year, if it work they remain together if not another (semi-orgiastic) turn? Or ancient Roman's Baccanals? Or ancient Greeks orgy, often homosexual and/or pedophile?

phailhaus 8y ago

Again, you're making circular arguments in order to claim that pornography and prostitution are bad. You can't reasonably make these claims without also arguing that we should ban alcohol because Prohibition led to illegal smuggling runs and all sorts of crime. Prostitution is illegal, therefore it leads to human trafficking, therefore it should be illegal? How are you going to have rampant human trafficking in a transparent system that requires brothels to have licenses, undergo inspections, and empower their employees to report unfair/unsafe/unsavory business practices? You also need to leave out your personal opinions about sex when it comes to this discussion. I noticed that you previously mentioned that one of the reasons women turn to pornography is because they are "out of options". That's not your decision to make. If an adult makes a personal choice to turn to pornography, it's not your place to go "but that's unsavory to me, let me protect you by making that profession illegal". You're imposing your own negative views of sex on everyone else. If you think participating in pornography is inherently degrading, you don't have to do it!