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Really? Do you think that women simultaneously being the victim and being empowered, the company bending over backwards to increase female numbers and create s

Really? Do you think that women simultaneously being the victim and being empowered, the company bending over backwards to increase female numbers and create special awards/events specifically for women won't create some frustration among the innocent male employees who have to pretend like they have to change the way they act around women to avoid talking over them, watching their time around women ( things like saying "Id love to go out but my ball and chain won't let me go"). The slightest criticism against women needs to be considered through a lens of misogyny and if it's plausible you keep quiet. It's just as simple as ignoring whatever the diversity efforts say about you and the situation at work. Don't divulge even a glimpse that you aren't along for the ride. Honestly sometimes silence or lack of enthusiasm makes you suspect. It's very obvious that gender equality being achieved in the workplace is not via reduced discrimination, but by hiring women at a very flexible bar. It's so painfully obvious in my organization and frankly im embarrassed for the qualified women who are getting tarnished by the changes.

orcdork 8y ago
"Id love to go out but my ball and chain won't let me go" Or maybe you keep such shitty things to yourself and the painfully obvious is visible to anyone but you.
- coryfklein 8y ago
  If a woman were to say "my ball and chain won't let me go," most sjws today would sympathize with her and help to "empower" her. When a man says it, it's a "shitty thing to say".
- seatdrummer 8y ago
  Honestly don't see the problem with that line. I can't imagine how many times a woman has referred to her husband as another one of the kids to take care of. Its not shitty, its insanely normal (and its a joke) and youre just being dramatic.
  - orcdork 8y ago
    Again, maybe you’re missing the painfully obvious when honestly not seeing any issues with that line.
    - lawnchair_larry 8y ago
      He isn't.
aplummer 8y ago
People are hiring more women because it improves performance and productivity [1]. It is true people would expect you to “change the way you act” so as not to make women literally uncomfortable around you, how outrageous that you should have to do this. > The slightest criticism against women needs to be considered through a lens of misogyny and if it's plausible you keep quiet. > It's very obvious that gender equality being achieved in the workplace is not via reduced discrimination, but by hiring women at a very flexible bar. Wrong on both, and you have no evidence to support this. [1] https://hbr.org/2016/11/why-diverse-teams-are-smarter https://hbr.org/2016/11/why-diverse-teams-are-smarter
- coryfklein 8y ago
  "Does it make somebody feel uncomfortable" is a terrible standard to use when deciding whether something is OK or not. Growing up Mormon, I felt extremely uncomfortable when co-workers drank alcohol in the office, even in after-hours social contexts. Does that mean I had a legitimate grievance to ask those around me not to drink? We can certainly come up with gender neutral standards about what kind of speech or activities are OK and which are not OK, but if we go with "does it make women feel uncomfortable" then we also need to extend it to "does it make Mormons feel uncomfortable" and "does it make polyamorists feel uncomfortable," and so on ad infinitum.
- sheepmullet 8y ago
  > People are hiring more women because it improves performance and productivity [1]. I think the hbr article has cause and effect backwards. It’s obvious that wealthy stable high margin businesses can afford to focus on diversity initiatives. If we were actually confident that diverse teams were better then gender and race would no longer need to be protected groups.
- seatdrummer 8y ago
  >so as not to make women literally uncomfortable around you, how outrageous that you should have to do this. One could make a similar argument for not calling out racism to avoid making people uncomfortable.
- sophistication 8y ago

orcdork 8y ago

"Id love to go out but my ball and chain won't let me go" Or maybe you keep such shitty things to yourself and the painfully obvious is visible to anyone but you.

coryfklein 8y ago
If a woman were to say "my ball and chain won't let me go," most sjws today would sympathize with her and help to "empower" her. When a man says it, it's a "shitty thing to say".
seatdrummer 8y ago
Honestly don't see the problem with that line. I can't imagine how many times a woman has referred to her husband as another one of the kids to take care of. Its not shitty, its insanely normal (and its a joke) and youre just being dramatic.
- orcdork 8y ago
  Again, maybe you’re missing the painfully obvious when honestly not seeing any issues with that line.
  - lawnchair_larry 8y ago
    He isn't.

aplummer 8y ago

People are hiring more women because it improves performance and productivity [1]. It is true people would expect you to “change the way you act” so as not to make women literally uncomfortable around you, how outrageous that you should have to do this. > The slightest criticism against women needs to be considered through a lens of misogyny and if it's plausible you keep quiet. > It's very obvious that gender equality being achieved in the workplace is not via reduced discrimination, but by hiring women at a very flexible bar. Wrong on both, and you have no evidence to support this. [1] https://hbr.org/2016/11/why-diverse-teams-are-smarter https://hbr.org/2016/11/why-diverse-teams-are-smarter

coryfklein 8y ago
"Does it make somebody feel uncomfortable" is a terrible standard to use when deciding whether something is OK or not. Growing up Mormon, I felt extremely uncomfortable when co-workers drank alcohol in the office, even in after-hours social contexts. Does that mean I had a legitimate grievance to ask those around me not to drink? We can certainly come up with gender neutral standards about what kind of speech or activities are OK and which are not OK, but if we go with "does it make women feel uncomfortable" then we also need to extend it to "does it make Mormons feel uncomfortable" and "does it make polyamorists feel uncomfortable," and so on ad infinitum.
sheepmullet 8y ago
> People are hiring more women because it improves performance and productivity [1]. I think the hbr article has cause and effect backwards. It’s obvious that wealthy stable high margin businesses can afford to focus on diversity initiatives. If we were actually confident that diverse teams were better then gender and race would no longer need to be protected groups.
seatdrummer 8y ago
>so as not to make women literally uncomfortable around you, how outrageous that you should have to do this. One could make a similar argument for not calling out racism to avoid making people uncomfortable.
sophistication 8y ago