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I can understand it's highly unusual. I don't have an absolute fear or no fear of doing business in the UK, it just ups my "riskometer" I mentioned. Surely it i

I can understand it's highly unusual. I don't have an absolute fear or no fear of doing business in the UK, it just ups my "riskometer" I mentioned. Surely it is clear that a vindictive government raiding a visitor and publishing confidential business documents should give one pause about the government's ideals? And I think we can make judgements about how decisions are reached instead of assuming that the exact steps that led to the decisions are the only reason they may go to such lengths. It is common for those dismissing chilling effects to say certain situations are special, but the effects are about ideals of the powerholders as much as their actions.

soared 8y ago
> vindictive government raiding What? OP literally just described how skipping a request for info is comparable to skipping a court summons in the US. If you skip a court summons 4 times, the government comes after you. How is this situation different? > publishing This certainly does raise questions. > government's ideals Investigating companies who might be implicit in crimes? (Gov is investigatng fake news, most of which is shared via facebook. Fb /probably/ didn't commit any crime, but they are closely involved and failing to cooperate raises red flags. Fake news isn't a crime, but there were questions of brexit advertising funds, election funds, etc.
- tzs 8y ago
  > If you skip a court summons 4 times, the government comes after you. How is this situation different? They didn't come after Facebook to obtain the documents. They went after someone who was suing Facebook and who was visiting England, and threatened him with jail unless he stole Facebook documents for them (which he had restricted access to as part of the discovery processes of his lawsuit against Facebook).
  - steve_gh 8y ago
    They are making a point. If Zuck had given evidence it would be in the public domain. He didn't, they have gained access to the documents, and are putting the bits they believe relevant to their inquiry into the public domain.
- kodablah 8y ago
  Why leave off the part of the quote that said "and publishing"? I assume an accident, buf if you include that in the quote, you will understand how the situation is different. The concern about ideals is how they chose the target and what they are doing with the documents. So many people naively get caught up in the overarching issue of guilt that they are eager to overlook improprieties by the investigators.
  - soared 8y ago
    Good point, I edited my comment.

soared 8y ago

> vindictive government raiding What? OP literally just described how skipping a request for info is comparable to skipping a court summons in the US. If you skip a court summons 4 times, the government comes after you. How is this situation different? > publishing This certainly does raise questions. > government's ideals Investigating companies who might be implicit in crimes? (Gov is investigatng fake news, most of which is shared via facebook. Fb /probably/ didn't commit any crime, but they are closely involved and failing to cooperate raises red flags. Fake news isn't a crime, but there were questions of brexit advertising funds, election funds, etc.

tzs 8y ago
> If you skip a court summons 4 times, the government comes after you. How is this situation different? They didn't come after Facebook to obtain the documents. They went after someone who was suing Facebook and who was visiting England, and threatened him with jail unless he stole Facebook documents for them (which he had restricted access to as part of the discovery processes of his lawsuit against Facebook).
- steve_gh 8y ago
  They are making a point. If Zuck had given evidence it would be in the public domain. He didn't, they have gained access to the documents, and are putting the bits they believe relevant to their inquiry into the public domain.
kodablah 8y ago
Why leave off the part of the quote that said "and publishing"? I assume an accident, buf if you include that in the quote, you will understand how the situation is different. The concern about ideals is how they chose the target and what they are doing with the documents. So many people naively get caught up in the overarching issue of guilt that they are eager to overlook improprieties by the investigators.
- soared 8y ago
  Good point, I edited my comment.