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The Rust community is extremely hostile, especially against other languages, and D in particular.

by z3t4 8y ago

steveklabnik 8y ago
Where do you see that happening? I'd love to tell some people to cut it out!
- z3t4 8y ago
  In this post about D, the top comments are about how great Rust is. But mentioning D in a post about Rust is like sticking your head into a bee-hive.
  - steveklabnik 8y ago
    The top comment is about how much they love D, and wonder why others don’t. So people are answering that question. I don’t see how that’s the Rust community hating other languages, but answering a question about preference. They’re all respectful answers. I don’t see it here, sorry :/
tombert 8y ago
Really? The few times I've used Rust, the people on the IRC channel were really nice to me and helped me get bootstrapped.
DeepYogurt 8y ago
In my experience the rust community has been incredibly welcoming and nice.
pjmlp 8y ago
Not at all, they even put up with my schizophrenic arguments of C++ vs Rust vs whatever.
z3phyr 8y ago
Its not hostile. Its aggressive in selling the strong points of the language. Having said that, I do wish newer languages spring up that adapt the good stuff from Rust. I can never like Rust syntax.
- zanny 8y ago
  A ludicrous amount of engineering has gone into the Rust compiler, the extensive documentation in RFCs about its design, the huge language docs that took a million man hours to make, RLS is another huge undertaking... I do forsee Rust getting a Coffeescript of its own. I'm in love with the control flow model of the language but always felt some things that were in from day one (like double colon :: namespace delimiters, ampersand references, asterisk pointers and dereferencing, semicolons, curly braces, etc) were just wholesale copied from the languages de jour of the day because the focus was on the borrow checker as an innovative feature. So the semantics and ergonomics were completely phoned in early on, and by the time the modern development process around the language and compiler matured the glyphs were so totally entrenched there was no way to reconsider any of it. A syntactic wrapper that gives you the types and behaviors of Rust with beautification like whitespace significance over mandatory brace delimiters and semicolons (like Python) with single colon (or maybe even dot) namespacing and such would be an insanely hard project (because parsing Rust is already insanely hard, and a lot of work went into minimizing compiler passes to parse grammar so keeping that with less control characters to work with in an intuitive way sounds like a substantial exercise in ergonomics) that compiled to ugly normal Rust would be fantastic to help newbies avoid the "glyphic overload" I easily see happen to anyone I try to preach Rust to.
  - skohan 8y ago
    I totally agree re the ergonomics. It really feels to me as if a lot of C/C++ conventions were copied over, with no justification beyond "this is what system programming languages look like".
- Shorel 8y ago
  It would be ironic if D language did precisely that.
burk96 8y ago
I think I know what you are talking about, there does seem to be a general sense of elitism in the Rust community. Kind of a thought that Rust is the best language for almost any task, why would you use anything else? I think that thought process is present in many software communities however. I have found the Rust community to be one of the most helpful and welcoming to beginners, and I don't believe this to be contradictory of what I have mentioned before. Rust developers want their community to grow so to spread the good word. Maybe it comes off too strong sometimes by pointing out where Rust has strengths against other languages, but if that is the among worst the community does, I would consider the community pretty friendly.
p0nce 8y ago
The Rust Community is: Welcoming Inclusive Developers prioritize mentorship RFC process Energizing It's written in the Rust Marketing Handbook so it's true: https://rust-lang.github.io/rust-marketing/pitches/community.html https://rust-lang.github.io/rust-marketing/pitches/community...

The Rust community is extremely hostile, especially against other languages, and D in particular.

by z3t4 8y ago

The Rust community is extremely hostile, especially against other languages, and D in particular.

steveklabnik 8y ago

Where do you see that happening? I'd love to tell some people to cut it out!

z3t4 8y ago
In this post about D, the top comments are about how great Rust is. But mentioning D in a post about Rust is like sticking your head into a bee-hive.
- steveklabnik 8y ago
  The top comment is about how much they love D, and wonder why others don’t. So people are answering that question. I don’t see how that’s the Rust community hating other languages, but answering a question about preference. They’re all respectful answers. I don’t see it here, sorry :/

tombert 8y ago

Really? The few times I've used Rust, the people on the IRC channel were really nice to me and helped me get bootstrapped.

DeepYogurt 8y ago

In my experience the rust community has been incredibly welcoming and nice.

pjmlp 8y ago

Not at all, they even put up with my schizophrenic arguments of C++ vs Rust vs whatever.

z3phyr 8y ago

Its not hostile. Its aggressive in selling the strong points of the language. Having said that, I do wish newer languages spring up that adapt the good stuff from Rust. I can never like Rust syntax.

zanny 8y ago
A ludicrous amount of engineering has gone into the Rust compiler, the extensive documentation in RFCs about its design, the huge language docs that took a million man hours to make, RLS is another huge undertaking... I do forsee Rust getting a Coffeescript of its own. I'm in love with the control flow model of the language but always felt some things that were in from day one (like double colon :: namespace delimiters, ampersand references, asterisk pointers and dereferencing, semicolons, curly braces, etc) were just wholesale copied from the languages de jour of the day because the focus was on the borrow checker as an innovative feature. So the semantics and ergonomics were completely phoned in early on, and by the time the modern development process around the language and compiler matured the glyphs were so totally entrenched there was no way to reconsider any of it. A syntactic wrapper that gives you the types and behaviors of Rust with beautification like whitespace significance over mandatory brace delimiters and semicolons (like Python) with single colon (or maybe even dot) namespacing and such would be an insanely hard project (because parsing Rust is already insanely hard, and a lot of work went into minimizing compiler passes to parse grammar so keeping that with less control characters to work with in an intuitive way sounds like a substantial exercise in ergonomics) that compiled to ugly normal Rust would be fantastic to help newbies avoid the "glyphic overload" I easily see happen to anyone I try to preach Rust to.
- skohan 8y ago
  I totally agree re the ergonomics. It really feels to me as if a lot of C/C++ conventions were copied over, with no justification beyond "this is what system programming languages look like".
Shorel 8y ago
It would be ironic if D language did precisely that.

burk96 8y ago

I think I know what you are talking about, there does seem to be a general sense of elitism in the Rust community. Kind of a thought that Rust is the best language for almost any task, why would you use anything else? I think that thought process is present in many software communities however. I have found the Rust community to be one of the most helpful and welcoming to beginners, and I don't believe this to be contradictory of what I have mentioned before. Rust developers want their community to grow so to spread the good word. Maybe it comes off too strong sometimes by pointing out where Rust has strengths against other languages, but if that is the among worst the community does, I would consider the community pretty friendly.

p0nce 8y ago

The Rust Community is: Welcoming Inclusive Developers prioritize mentorship RFC process Energizing It's written in the Rust Marketing Handbook so it's true: https://rust-lang.github.io/rust-marketing/pitches/community.html https://rust-lang.github.io/rust-marketing/pitches/community...