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I feel Firefox could be quite a bit more attractive, if it did less. I don't want my browser integrated with one particular VPN. I don't want Pocket on by defau

I feel Firefox could be quite a bit more attractive, if it did less. I don't want my browser integrated with one particular VPN. I don't want Pocket on by default and hard to get rid of.

threatofrain 8y ago
I also agree that Firefox needs to work on beautification and marketing. But I'm happy Firefox did Pocket because I view that as a cross-platform readability and bookmark strategy that other companies makeup for through their platform. Even if Pocket ultimately folds, I'd want Mozilla to do something else in that place. Like if Mozilla knows that iOS users by wide margins use Safari, how are they supposed to get their bookmarks to them?
snek 8y ago
damned if they do, damned if they don't
- TheCraiggers 8y ago
  It's almost as if giving users options and letting them opt out of things is the way to go. Who would have guessed.
  - detaro 8y ago
    Apparently not, since the opening comment complains about an optional VPN offering and a service integration you can turn off.
    - itsreallyme 8y ago
      You can already opt into Proton VPN. See, it's right here: https://protonvpn.com/ https://protonvpn.com/ So that's the point; don't bake features into my browser that point me to one company when the whole purpose of a browser in the first place is to be able to visit web pages... like https://protonvpn.com/ https://protonvpn.com/. This is about only one thing: money (affiliate sales).
      - TheCraiggers 8y ago
        While I'm sure some money exchanged hands, this is obviously not just a marketing move. We live in a world where VPN are a must if you want to have any expectation of privacy. Giving people easier access to these services is not a bad thing. Mozilla has a privacy-minded vision for the internet. Regardless if you agree with their vision, they are at least following it. Also, if it's true that Mozilla is auditing ProtonVPN, that is a huge benefit to everyone. The biggest issue with VPNs are you're forced to trust this new company that they'll do as they say with your data (namely that they don't harvest or store any of it). To me, that's a huge thing.
      - spac 8y ago
        It's also about evangelization, I think. I bet that there is a substantial amount of users of Firefox that do not know what a VPN is, nor how to choose among the very many providers. Without entering in the merit of the choice of provider, I feel it is a good idea, that aligns with the mission of Mozilla and the need of generating income. If I remember correctly, the Mozilla foundation was mainly supported by Google money: having forms of independent income generation is both necessary for any sustainable non-profit, and desirable to maintain, indeed, independence.
    - 4aceb14e 8y ago
      Yeah, in the about:config, which you are told not to meddle with by the browser. I agree, it's better than nothing. But it might as well be missing for the average user.
      - detaro 8y ago
        You're right, I totally forgot that you can't hide all Pocket details directly. They're just hidden in menus I never use, so I didn't notice.
Yoric 8y ago
Have you tried Firefox Lite? (Android only, I believe)
- 4aceb14e 8y ago
  That is the version I am running on mobile.
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I feel Firefox could be quite a bit more attractive, if it did less. I don't want my browser integrated with one particular VPN. I don't want Pocket on by default and hard to get rid of.

threatofrain 8y ago

I also agree that Firefox needs to work on beautification and marketing. But I'm happy Firefox did Pocket because I view that as a cross-platform readability and bookmark strategy that other companies makeup for through their platform. Even if Pocket ultimately folds, I'd want Mozilla to do something else in that place. Like if Mozilla knows that iOS users by wide margins use Safari, how are they supposed to get their bookmarks to them?

snek 8y ago

damned if they do, damned if they don't

TheCraiggers 8y ago
It's almost as if giving users options and letting them opt out of things is the way to go. Who would have guessed.
- detaro 8y ago
  Apparently not, since the opening comment complains about an optional VPN offering and a service integration you can turn off.
  - itsreallyme 8y ago
    You can already opt into Proton VPN. See, it's right here: https://protonvpn.com/ https://protonvpn.com/ So that's the point; don't bake features into my browser that point me to one company when the whole purpose of a browser in the first place is to be able to visit web pages... like https://protonvpn.com/ https://protonvpn.com/. This is about only one thing: money (affiliate sales).
    - TheCraiggers 8y ago
      While I'm sure some money exchanged hands, this is obviously not just a marketing move. We live in a world where VPN are a must if you want to have any expectation of privacy. Giving people easier access to these services is not a bad thing. Mozilla has a privacy-minded vision for the internet. Regardless if you agree with their vision, they are at least following it. Also, if it's true that Mozilla is auditing ProtonVPN, that is a huge benefit to everyone. The biggest issue with VPNs are you're forced to trust this new company that they'll do as they say with your data (namely that they don't harvest or store any of it). To me, that's a huge thing.
    - spac 8y ago
      It's also about evangelization, I think. I bet that there is a substantial amount of users of Firefox that do not know what a VPN is, nor how to choose among the very many providers. Without entering in the merit of the choice of provider, I feel it is a good idea, that aligns with the mission of Mozilla and the need of generating income. If I remember correctly, the Mozilla foundation was mainly supported by Google money: having forms of independent income generation is both necessary for any sustainable non-profit, and desirable to maintain, indeed, independence.
  - 4aceb14e 8y ago
    Yeah, in the about:config, which you are told not to meddle with by the browser. I agree, it's better than nothing. But it might as well be missing for the average user.
    - detaro 8y ago
      You're right, I totally forgot that you can't hide all Pocket details directly. They're just hidden in menus I never use, so I didn't notice.

Yoric 8y ago

Have you tried Firefox Lite? (Android only, I believe)

4aceb14e 8y ago
That is the version I am running on mobile.

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