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We are not saying that there are no cars. We are saying that a significant portion of the people in these cities don't have a car. You saw cars of the other hal

We are not saying that there are no cars. We are saying that a significant portion of the people in these cities don't have a car. You saw cars of the other half. I'm saying that it's weird to require parking spaces in cities where there is a problem with housing prices when a lot of people don't have a car and thus prove that it's possible. It even completely goes agains the goal of reducing cars in cities.

varjag 8y ago
A lot of things are possible. I can live for months on potato and lard alone, and people buying apartments in new high rises of central Oslo could eschew their Teslas and bike instead. That's just not happening however, and build code deals with realities on the ground. There is little reason not to enforce parking norms, and "I personally would never own a car" is a poor justification. Maybe the guy you'd sublet it to would, or you decide to start a family and the only kindergarten spot you get is 12km away, or you sell your apartment and move elsewhere but the new owner needs a car. If you genuinely need no parking spot, there's typically no shortage of nice apartments in the older buildings of nearly every European city out there. Costs less, too.
- Arnt 8y ago
  The only European city I know well is Munich, and here there definitely is a shortage of apartments, particularly for rent. People tell stories about having searched for years. The reason why the current parking norms are bad is that they require many more off-street parking spots than residents need. Building those costs €25-45k each at current Munich construction costs, and roughly half of that's wasted money (details vary widely). The streets are packed with parked cars, but we're not talking about public parking here.
- Symbiote 8y ago
  I live in a new building in central Copenhagen, where every household is surely making at least double the average Danish salary, so could easily afford a car. By counting in the basement I estimate about 20% of households own cars. This includes families. There are plenty of child-sized bicycles (all sizes of child) in the courtyard.

varjag 8y ago

A lot of things are possible. I can live for months on potato and lard alone, and people buying apartments in new high rises of central Oslo could eschew their Teslas and bike instead. That's just not happening however, and build code deals with realities on the ground. There is little reason not to enforce parking norms, and "I personally would never own a car" is a poor justification. Maybe the guy you'd sublet it to would, or you decide to start a family and the only kindergarten spot you get is 12km away, or you sell your apartment and move elsewhere but the new owner needs a car. If you genuinely need no parking spot, there's typically no shortage of nice apartments in the older buildings of nearly every European city out there. Costs less, too.

Arnt 8y ago
The only European city I know well is Munich, and here there definitely is a shortage of apartments, particularly for rent. People tell stories about having searched for years. The reason why the current parking norms are bad is that they require many more off-street parking spots than residents need. Building those costs €25-45k each at current Munich construction costs, and roughly half of that's wasted money (details vary widely). The streets are packed with parked cars, but we're not talking about public parking here.
Symbiote 8y ago
I live in a new building in central Copenhagen, where every household is surely making at least double the average Danish salary, so could easily afford a car. By counting in the basement I estimate about 20% of households own cars. This includes families. There are plenty of child-sized bicycles (all sizes of child) in the courtyard.