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FB has Activity Log, visible only to you, and shows what you posted, commented, liked, tagged, shared, searched, etc. From there you can manage and delete stuff

by cpv 8y ago

FB has Activity Log, visible only to you, and shows what you posted, commented, liked, tagged, shared, searched, etc. From there you can manage and delete stuff if you want, by hand.

polskibus 8y ago
Does deletion of your data unlearn the models from the data?
- cpv 8y ago
  I don't really know this. Just provided what similar functionality exists in FB. It's a black box for most of us. You might need to provide fake data to make it relearn. There were comments here and there about people liking various pages/posts not related to them, just to feed it with junk.
  - gear54rus 8y ago
    it was probably rhetorical, lol I don't even think it guarantees that new neural nets won't be trained on your 'deleted' data
- jacobush 8y ago
  Of course not. What would that even mean? Their objective is to model you. To maximize profit, they should retrain the model with the input "user deleted this and that". As added data points.
  - polskibus 8y ago
    Perhaps, that would mean complying with GDPR? You are obliged to remove data physically from databases upon request (including backups if possible, if not possible then keep deletion patches to be ran after backup restore!). Since you cannot continue processing data after GDPR deletion request, that could mean that a model (which is processing the data) should unlearn any knowledge of you.
    - jacobush 8y ago
      This is what any reasonable person will think. I fully expect FB to argue that "oh these are just some computer bits you see. There is no way to from this model deduce what inputs made it into this model. It's like a hash function. And since we have removed the inputs, we have complied." That they are in essence keeping "the ghost" of a person is another thing.
      - polskibus 8y ago
        I don't even know if deleting your account through standard Facebook means is the same as requesting the deletion by GDPR request.
Jerry2 8y ago
FB also has shadow profiles of people whom they track even if they're not signed into the FB or even have a FB account. How do you suggest I opt out of that? https://theconversation.com/shadow-profiles-facebook-knows-about-you-even-if-youre-not-on-facebook-94804 https://theconversation.com/shadow-profiles-facebook-knows-a...
- cpv 8y ago
  Good question. Probably you need to send a data request, so they can provide you with info they have about you. But based on what should they search in their data warehouse? IP? Cookies? Interests? Leaked email? I guess one way to avoid shadow profiles would be to block FB scripts/cookies on pages you visit, so they won't track you.
gaius 8y ago
Delete merely updates a flag to deleted=true so it doesn’t show in the interface.

by cpv 8y ago

FB has Activity Log, visible only to you, and shows what you posted, commented, liked, tagged, shared, searched, etc. From there you can manage and delete stuff if you want, by hand.

polskibus 8y ago

Does deletion of your data unlearn the models from the data?

cpv 8y ago
I don't really know this. Just provided what similar functionality exists in FB. It's a black box for most of us. You might need to provide fake data to make it relearn. There were comments here and there about people liking various pages/posts not related to them, just to feed it with junk.
- gear54rus 8y ago
  it was probably rhetorical, lol I don't even think it guarantees that new neural nets won't be trained on your 'deleted' data
jacobush 8y ago
Of course not. What would that even mean? Their objective is to model you. To maximize profit, they should retrain the model with the input "user deleted this and that". As added data points.
- polskibus 8y ago
  Perhaps, that would mean complying with GDPR? You are obliged to remove data physically from databases upon request (including backups if possible, if not possible then keep deletion patches to be ran after backup restore!). Since you cannot continue processing data after GDPR deletion request, that could mean that a model (which is processing the data) should unlearn any knowledge of you.
  - jacobush 8y ago
    This is what any reasonable person will think. I fully expect FB to argue that "oh these are just some computer bits you see. There is no way to from this model deduce what inputs made it into this model. It's like a hash function. And since we have removed the inputs, we have complied." That they are in essence keeping "the ghost" of a person is another thing.
    - polskibus 8y ago
      I don't even know if deleting your account through standard Facebook means is the same as requesting the deletion by GDPR request.

Jerry2 8y ago

FB also has shadow profiles of people whom they track even if they're not signed into the FB or even have a FB account. How do you suggest I opt out of that? https://theconversation.com/shadow-profiles-facebook-knows-about-you-even-if-youre-not-on-facebook-94804 https://theconversation.com/shadow-profiles-facebook-knows-a...

cpv 8y ago
Good question. Probably you need to send a data request, so they can provide you with info they have about you. But based on what should they search in their data warehouse? IP? Cookies? Interests? Leaked email? I guess one way to avoid shadow profiles would be to block FB scripts/cookies on pages you visit, so they won't track you.

gaius 8y ago

Delete merely updates a flag to deleted=true so it doesn’t show in the interface.