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I wish the downvoters would explain why you're wrong instead. Under what legal theory can Bird file charges against someone who takes what they've left unsecure

by koboll 8y ago

I wish the downvoters would explain why you're wrong instead. Under what legal theory can Bird file charges against someone who takes what they've left unsecured sitting on a sidewalk?

pfisch 8y ago
I’m sort of surprised none of these pissed off city councils have gone after them for illegally dumping hazardous materials. I guess most people here infer that I hate these scooters, but I actually think they are mostly a public good. Just like uber is. Doesn’t mean it is legal though.
shaki-dora 8y ago
Downvoter here! You're arguing against about 2000 years of legal history. Theft is defined as the taking of another person's property or services without that person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it. Note how nothing in that definition requires the property to be secured. You also don't get to hit people over the head with a hammer only because they have turned away from you. In general, law abhors your principle of "might is right". In fact, law and morality are entirely unnecessary in the cases where an otherwise unlawful action is successfully prevented by protections. I guess all the moral gymnastics to justify copyright infringement are now having spillover effects. It's one way to get back to a coherent moral code, I give you that. But I hope you can afford bodyguards to accompany at all times of day, and no enemy of yours ever becomes rich enough to pay more muscle than you can.
- koboll 8y ago
  It's not really a 'principle'; I was genuinely curious, not trying to make a point. I like electric scooters, actually. But it does seem strange that suddenly there's an expectation that things can just be left on the sidewalk while enjoying the full protection of the law. I don't think that if I left my bike sitting unlocked in front of someone else's apartment building indefinitely, I'd have much of a case against the kid that walked away with it. But companies can do it and because they are companies, it's a different story.

by koboll 8y ago

I wish the downvoters would explain why you're wrong instead. Under what legal theory can Bird file charges against someone who takes what they've left unsecured sitting on a sidewalk?

pfisch 8y ago

I’m sort of surprised none of these pissed off city councils have gone after them for illegally dumping hazardous materials. I guess most people here infer that I hate these scooters, but I actually think they are mostly a public good. Just like uber is. Doesn’t mean it is legal though.

shaki-dora 8y ago

Downvoter here! You're arguing against about 2000 years of legal history. Theft is defined as the taking of another person's property or services without that person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it. Note how nothing in that definition requires the property to be secured. You also don't get to hit people over the head with a hammer only because they have turned away from you. In general, law abhors your principle of "might is right". In fact, law and morality are entirely unnecessary in the cases where an otherwise unlawful action is successfully prevented by protections. I guess all the moral gymnastics to justify copyright infringement are now having spillover effects. It's one way to get back to a coherent moral code, I give you that. But I hope you can afford bodyguards to accompany at all times of day, and no enemy of yours ever becomes rich enough to pay more muscle than you can.

koboll 8y ago
It's not really a 'principle'; I was genuinely curious, not trying to make a point. I like electric scooters, actually. But it does seem strange that suddenly there's an expectation that things can just be left on the sidewalk while enjoying the full protection of the law. I don't think that if I left my bike sitting unlocked in front of someone else's apartment building indefinitely, I'd have much of a case against the kid that walked away with it. But companies can do it and because they are companies, it's a different story.