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I feel like your (and most) anti-intellectual property arguments are built on terrible strawman, so let's go through your terrible strawman. >One is an absolut

I feel like your (and most) anti-intellectual property arguments are built on terrible strawman, so let's go through your terrible strawman. >One is an absolute. The cake is and moves. The other is an idea. You get rent from me expressing an Idea. Do I have to pay if I hum it inside my head? Obviously not, and to suggest that intellectual property laws would require rent payments for thinking about a song is so odious and unfair that the speaker must be assumed to be acting outside of the realm of honest discourse. >Do I have to promise not to tell anyone in written form? ? How is your concept of intellectual property so divorced from reality? In what country does one make a promise not to hum a song to a rights holder in written form? This beggars belief that you are anything other than some uninformed radical. >What if I change more than 90% of the notes but keep one theme? As with all of intellectual property, unless you are attempting to commercialize your idea, you aren't going to be seriously targeted for using someone's intellectual property. I struggle to treat this post as anything but the uninformed ramblings of a true radical. I mean, could you at least pretend to have a real world understanding of intellectual property when you create your examples? Here's a question for you: Have you ever created anything in your life with value that could be protected by intellectual property laws (copyright, trademark, patent, etc)? Have you ever created anything of value and given it away? Or are these ruminations about intellectual property purely hypothetical?

Bored5809 8y ago
Are you sure you're on the right track? The least you can do is not make the same mistake that you're accusing other of. > How is your concept of intellectual property so divorced from reality? In what country does one make a promise not to hum a song to a rights holder in written form? This beggars belief that you are anything other than some uninformed radical. Fallacy: 1) Ad Hominem > As with all of intellectual property, unless you are attempting to commercialize your idea, you aren't going to be seriously targeted for using someone's intellectual property. Fallacy: Appeal to probability > I struggle to treat this post as anything but the uninformed ramblings of a true radical. I mean, could you at least pretend to have a real world understanding of intellectual property when you create your examples? Fallacy: Ad Hominem > Here's a question for you: Have you ever created anything in your life with value that could be protected by intellectual property laws (copyright, trademark, patent, etc)? Have you ever created anything of value and given it away? Or are these ruminations about intellectual property purely hypothetical? Fallacy: Ad Hominem You could have ended your post by pointing out the fallacies, but Internet has taught you to go a step further (Look at me doing the same thing)
- criley2 8y ago
  Fallacy: Fallacy fallacy. The worst kind of munchkin is the one that thinks A) a fallacious argument is a wrong one B) that reducing arguments to fallacies is a beneficial way to communicate and C) who misuses fallacies as a tool to avoid arguing merits. For shame. Utterly, you provided the worst response possible. Meta, petty, inherently fallacious and ultimately pointless.
icebraining 8y ago
As with all of intellectual property, unless you are attempting to commercialize your idea, you aren't going to be seriously targeted for using someone's intellectual property. Yeah, tell that to Thomas-Rasset. Ordered to pay $220,000 for sharing 24 songs on Kazaa. Many others have had their internet connections cut off or worse.
- criley2 8y ago
  Come on, sure you can produce historical outliers, meanwhile, the vast majority of every person reading this has stolen far, far, far, far more than 24 songs worth of software and media. It's absolutely absurd that you would ignore the reality on the ground for hundreds of millions to pretend that the ultra-rare exception is somehow the rule. Be honest: have you stolen ANYTHING online ever? Have you ever been caught?
  - icebraining 8y ago
    I have infringed on copyright, and I have gotten two warnings over it, which were enough to get me to stop doing so on my home connection.
chillacy 8y ago
This post is all critique but no counter argument, all style and no substance. Maybe include some concrete examples?
ggm 8y ago
Well aside from your snide tone this is actually a good rebut. Since I've earned money from IPR and earn money from working on openly available code I do actually understand more than one side of this story. Chinese IPR theft is not about mp3 downloads. It's industrial in scale and extent. I believe it's self abnegating because they would do better to overcome it by out competing. But IPR is a very odd social construction which in modern terms applied to services and not goods probably impedes the "march of progress" more than it helps regarding inventors. Truly, it just sucks money out of emerging ICT and replaces it by rent seeking behaviour. In real goods, trade protected methods are as good. Cost of inventing is a compete mishmash, most fundamental IPR lies in publicly funded research. Much medical IPR is ethically complex. Human DNA patenting had to be fought off. Monsanto and Roundup resistance and wild crossbreeding.. wierd law. So.. stripped of your ad hominem you make good points and I made facile ones. Well done. Why be an arrogant prick btw? Is your ego on display here? Can you not think beyond the words to the concepts or are you so glued to IPR income models that even theorized weaknesses offend you? What flaws in industrial IPR can you acknowledge? Do you think the google-Motorola-lenovo sell around patents in mobiles and other things was sensible? I mean sure, it defended googles core business but it was a giant potlach of competing patent baskets. Samsung and Apple at war is good for who ? Cisco holding patents on sfps? Epson and chip marked ink cartridges? C'mon man, these are broken business models. China is big. It's a big market. We can build a better market and not give in to protectionism. IPR fights are all about keeping money in the USA but cheap labour in China.

Bored5809 8y ago

Are you sure you're on the right track? The least you can do is not make the same mistake that you're accusing other of. > How is your concept of intellectual property so divorced from reality? In what country does one make a promise not to hum a song to a rights holder in written form? This beggars belief that you are anything other than some uninformed radical. Fallacy: 1) Ad Hominem > As with all of intellectual property, unless you are attempting to commercialize your idea, you aren't going to be seriously targeted for using someone's intellectual property. Fallacy: Appeal to probability > I struggle to treat this post as anything but the uninformed ramblings of a true radical. I mean, could you at least pretend to have a real world understanding of intellectual property when you create your examples? Fallacy: Ad Hominem > Here's a question for you: Have you ever created anything in your life with value that could be protected by intellectual property laws (copyright, trademark, patent, etc)? Have you ever created anything of value and given it away? Or are these ruminations about intellectual property purely hypothetical? Fallacy: Ad Hominem You could have ended your post by pointing out the fallacies, but Internet has taught you to go a step further (Look at me doing the same thing)

criley2 8y ago
Fallacy: Fallacy fallacy. The worst kind of munchkin is the one that thinks A) a fallacious argument is a wrong one B) that reducing arguments to fallacies is a beneficial way to communicate and C) who misuses fallacies as a tool to avoid arguing merits. For shame. Utterly, you provided the worst response possible. Meta, petty, inherently fallacious and ultimately pointless.

icebraining 8y ago

As with all of intellectual property, unless you are attempting to commercialize your idea, you aren't going to be seriously targeted for using someone's intellectual property. Yeah, tell that to Thomas-Rasset. Ordered to pay $220,000 for sharing 24 songs on Kazaa. Many others have had their internet connections cut off or worse.

criley2 8y ago
Come on, sure you can produce historical outliers, meanwhile, the vast majority of every person reading this has stolen far, far, far, far more than 24 songs worth of software and media. It's absolutely absurd that you would ignore the reality on the ground for hundreds of millions to pretend that the ultra-rare exception is somehow the rule. Be honest: have you stolen ANYTHING online ever? Have you ever been caught?
- icebraining 8y ago
  I have infringed on copyright, and I have gotten two warnings over it, which were enough to get me to stop doing so on my home connection.

chillacy 8y ago

This post is all critique but no counter argument, all style and no substance. Maybe include some concrete examples?

ggm 8y ago

Well aside from your snide tone this is actually a good rebut. Since I've earned money from IPR and earn money from working on openly available code I do actually understand more than one side of this story. Chinese IPR theft is not about mp3 downloads. It's industrial in scale and extent. I believe it's self abnegating because they would do better to overcome it by out competing. But IPR is a very odd social construction which in modern terms applied to services and not goods probably impedes the "march of progress" more than it helps regarding inventors. Truly, it just sucks money out of emerging ICT and replaces it by rent seeking behaviour. In real goods, trade protected methods are as good. Cost of inventing is a compete mishmash, most fundamental IPR lies in publicly funded research. Much medical IPR is ethically complex. Human DNA patenting had to be fought off. Monsanto and Roundup resistance and wild crossbreeding.. wierd law. So.. stripped of your ad hominem you make good points and I made facile ones. Well done. Why be an arrogant prick btw? Is your ego on display here? Can you not think beyond the words to the concepts or are you so glued to IPR income models that even theorized weaknesses offend you? What flaws in industrial IPR can you acknowledge? Do you think the google-Motorola-lenovo sell around patents in mobiles and other things was sensible? I mean sure, it defended googles core business but it was a giant potlach of competing patent baskets. Samsung and Apple at war is good for who ? Cisco holding patents on sfps? Epson and chip marked ink cartridges? C'mon man, these are broken business models. China is big. It's a big market. We can build a better market and not give in to protectionism. IPR fights are all about keeping money in the USA but cheap labour in China.