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Until I read about actual punishments being handed out, I'm skeptical that China will actually enforce rules on intellectual property theft.
by jostmey 8y ago
Until I read about actual punishments being handed out, I'm skeptical that China will actually enforce rules on intellectual property theft.
- yostrovs 8y agoAt the very least it'll be another item to fear the government over, as things like this can be used in the future against you. I agree with you that it won't foster a positive IP system. In China, instead, it will create more avenues for graft and retribution.
- scotty79 8y ago> positive IP system No such thing exists in any country.
- weberc2 8y agoCitation?
- yobrien 8y agoHow can he prove something doesn't exist? You'd have to show an example it does exist. Or they'd have to list every system and show why it's not positive.
- weberc2 8y agoI'm not expecting a mathematical proof; just trying to understand what he means by "positive" and how he would explain the development of IP law in every successful economy. Surely no reasonable person would state an absolute like this based on _nothing_, right? > Or they'd have to list every system and show why it's not positive. Again, I asked for a citation, not original work. If no one has found a good IP law system (for some value of "good") then surely some economist or IP law specialist has written a paper surveying the landscape, right? If this were not the case, it would be extraordinary!
- muro 8y agoAnother tool for selective enforcement
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- rhizome 8y agoTo be fair, China is a signatory to all of the major copyright treaties of the past 60+ years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_international_copyright_agreements#Table_of_parties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_internation...
- reaperducer 8y agoTo be fair, China is a signatory to all of the major copyright treaties of the past 60+ years. And I clicked on "I Accept" on hundreds of EULAs. That doesn't mean I'm going to abide by the terms I "agreed" to. Because of its manufacturing sector, China can sign onto whatever it wants and still not enforce the rules. What are the other signatories going to do? Make iPhones in Brussels?
- sanxiyn 8y agoSamsung makes its phones in Vietnam just fine. I think Apple should follow if it can.
- draw_down 8y agoOh great, sounds like they take intellectual property very seriously then.
- baq 8y agoi expect foreigners to be punished for stealing china's original IP.
- empath75 8y agoI'm not entirely convinced that they should All the great western powers became so based on "stolen" intellectual property, including a great deal from China. It makes no sense for China or any other developing country to commit to such a regime until they're doing it as an equal partner.
- reaperducer 8y agoAll the great western powers became so based on "stolen" intellectual property All the great western powers also believe that two wrongs don't make a right.
- coliveira 8y agoOh, they do. Just look at the response given to terrorism: endless wars.
- djrobstep 8y agoLet's call intellectual property what it really is in this context: rich countries demanding that less rich countries give them money. That fact that expropriation of wealth from countries and regions that already have less is the status quo economically, doesn't make it any less obscene or immoral.
- Gustomaximus 8y agoI suspect they will enforce a few high profile cases for meaningless products like fashion labels, and then ignore any strategically important industries citing lack of proof, or limited punishments where there is clear proof. Trump pushing China like this is one of the better points things about his presidency (obviously opinion only). I really hope he doesn't put down his cards based on a few unlikely to be enforced points (or generally limited value) so he can tweet how he made a deal and how great he is.