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"Making something like this opt-in is equivalent to not having it at all" People who say opt in, would generally opt out. People who say opt out, would general
by laythea 8y ago
"Making something like this opt-in is equivalent to not having it at all"
People who say opt in, would generally opt out.
People who say opt out, would generally opt in.
This applies to anything.
In this case, given its about collecting my data and processing me, I say Opt In. Not having it at all is a good thing.
- derefr 8y agoMy point was that the only useful options are “an opt-out telemetry system” and “no telemetry system.” An opt-in telemetry system is wasted effort from the point of view of gathering results with statistical power. And no, the people who want opt-out would not generally opt in in an opt-in system. That'd be their preference, yes, but you’re underestimating people’s laziness in practice. There are things I’d grant telemetry access to, but I don’t know how and don’t have time in the day to learn how, especially since it grants very little advantage to me personally.
- ohithereyou 8y agoMaybe if we got something in exchange for the actual value of our data (say, Microsoft paid us per machine, per user, per hour used) then it would be worth it to opt-in.
- m45t3r 8y ago> Maybe if we got something in exchange for the actual value of our data (say, Microsoft paid us per machine, per user, per hour used) then it would be worth it to opt-in. You get something, better software because developers can know what is being used and what it is not, what feature is bugged, etc etc.
- justinclift 8y agoHow's that working out for MS? /s
- mh7 8y agoOr you get something worse because you happened to be one of the few users of a niche feature that they decided the axe because they optimize for the telemetry data.
- olyjohn 8y agoPeople keep acting like telemetry is my problem as the end-user. I don't care about your development practices. I don't care about your telemetry. All I care about is if the software works, and my privacy is protected. The problems with getting telemetry data are your problem. The burden should not be on us to have to turn off all this data-gathering to protect my data. EDIT: The proverbial "you", not you in particular.
- scrollaway 8y ago> I don't care about your telemetry. All I care about is if the software works Newsflash: The latter requires the former, especially in large-userbase installations with tons of features. I say this as a huge defender of privacy: Telemetry is not evil in and of itself and I wish people would give it a rest when it comes to yelling about opt-in telemetry, because it seriously harms the cause in cases where it matters, such as actual transmission of personal data. Seriously, things like "Do you click the Edit menu a lot" is not useful data to anyone but the devs of the software, for development reasons.
- justinclift 8y ago> Newsflash: The latter requires the former, especially in large-userbase installations with tons of features. The vast majority of computing history argues for exactly the opposite. In fact, with it's new "all in on telemetry regardless of reputation damage" approach, MS's software often does not work. Clearly MS have taken a wrong approach, and seem completely unwilling to rethink it.
- scrollaway 8y agoThe vast majority of computing history did not have the iteration speed, the low barrier of entry, the complexity, etc etc of software today. Do you not remember using software back then? Waiting years for simple bugfixes?
- justinclift 8y ago